Are you saying a bunch of pregnant women should all show up at the capital and all have abortions there at once as a protest? The dudes with guns would leave quickly.
I understand that position and it's still possible that I'll end up going that way. This Reade accusation, and particularly the response of the other Democrats and the liberal media to it has given me pause. I've explained my concerns ad nauseum on that in other posts so I won't go into it again. I will say that I think that one of the things that you hope might be accomplished by deciding not to support a flawed candidate is that the Party might eventually learn to pick better candidates. I've got to say though, the Dems seem to be slow learners. Obama, while I didn't agree with many of his policy views, was at least a breath of fresh air in that he was passionate and articulate about them. Clinton and Biden are both examples of the Party falling back into its sloppy ways of selecting candidates based on it "being their turn" instead of them being an exciting candidate.
Did i read the other day that you would vote for Biden if he was investigated and nothing much was found, but wouldn't vote for Biden if he wasn't investigated?
Yeah, I did say that yesterday. I may not feel that way by Election Day, but right now I'm pretty pissed at what seems to me to be pretty blatant hypocrisy. And, yes, I know you disagree.
Irrelevant if I disagree but isn't it a bit hypocritical to not vote for someone because you assume they are guilty? Isn't it suppose to be innocent till proven guilty?
Fair enough. ...don't get me wrong, I wish they'd go ahead and at least act like they are trying to investigate this but I just don't see it going anywhere. And they need to expedite it because this is something that needs to be settled well before November. Afterwards, the people who are leaning toward Biden need to solidify and be united...because Trump's people certainly will be.
This (former) Democrat voted for Gary Johnson in 2016 because both “major” candidates were terminally flawed. The results of the 2016 election proved that beyond a doubt. Now as an Independent, this year I’m voting for the Libertarian candidate (whoever that might end up being) for the very same reasons as 2016. We have that “luxury” in Oregon because a Biden win is a foregone conclusion (unless of course he drops out). I want my vote to be part of a national “referendum” that says we’re sick and tired of the same two parties that have dragged us down a rat hole for the past 60 years. If enough people did the same thing, we might see some actual changes. It won’t happen this year but.........a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. And as far as votes being important.....in 2000 the Republican literally stole the election with help from an activist Supreme Court. In 2016, even though Clinton got over 3 million votes more than the current Moron In Chief, the Republicans gamed the system and won the election. So let’s please don’t overstate how much your...or my....vote matters.....
It's not at all hypocritical in my view. As I said, I believe my vote should be based upon a candidate's platform and personal qualities. Personal qualities are always going to be a subjective judgement. Reade's accusation, in my judgement, has enough meat to it that it deserves to be investigated more thoroughly than what is being done so far. A failure to investigate, particularly when the Party was all-in on investigating the accusations by Blasey-Ford, colors my opinion of Biden's trustworthiness. Innocent until proven guilty is a standard in criminal cases. It certainly doesn't apply in politics. If I have correctly read your many posts on things Trump has been accused of over the years, you certainly don't accord him that standard in your opinion of him (an opinion, that I happen to share, by the way).
Hey Riv! Thank you for posting the picture of the Republican Senate. It proves that Moscow Mitch does indeed lead the pack......
You don't get it. You vote for Biden if he's investigated and you won't if he is not. You are essentially withholding your vote obviously because you think he is then guilty. I have no doubt Biden is being investigated by the republicans right now.
But if you were in prison, and they allowed you to order whatever you wanted, but you knew that they would randomly bring you either a shit sandwich or eggs/brains if you ordered any option other than the two on the menu, wouldn't it be rational to order the eggs and brains? If you choose not to decide You still have made a choice barfo
Hunger strikes can sometimes be effective. That said, if my cell mate looked like someone I could take, maybe I'd go all Hannibal Lecter on him.
I think it's you who doesn't get my issue, Cup. I have no opinion on his guilt. I do have an opinion on the hypocrisy of not investigating. If Biden were willing to step up and call for a full investigation, testify under oath, etc. that goes to proving his character. Biden said in the Blasey-Ford/Kavanaugh matter that, "For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you've got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she's talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts, whether or not it's been made worse or better over time." Now, to simply say it never happened and go on his merry way with the campaign also says something about his character.
You can think what you want. I was merely pointing out your hypocrisy on how you will vote. Nothing more and nothing less so in that respect, I understand your issue very well.
Oh, I am positive I know what it means. Can we end this now so it doesn;t turn into another 10 post back and forth?
