The 2022 Trade Idea Thread, now with more urgency!

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  1. HomerLovesKoolAid

    HomerLovesKoolAid I have a well-known member.

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    This mothafucker is about to say “flexibility” a hundred times.
     
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    Unbelievable. We trade CJ, Norm, and RoCo and couldn’t get an All Star to play with Dame. All we have to show is Winslow and Hart. Unbelievable. There aren’t any All Stars available who will sign here with our cap space. Beal maybe? Ayton maybe. Fuck this.
     
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    I can’t believe we didn’t trade Nurk. I can’t believe we actually want to bring him back.
     
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    Ayton they will match. Beal and LaVine are guards which doesn't seem to make sense with Dame & Simons. One of the next best available free agents is probably Roco.

    The CJ trade I'm ok with, we got a first round pick, Hart might be decent, and CJ had the potential to be the worst of those contracts. The Norm Roco trade is indefensible, and really hurt this teams rebuild.

    We are on the path of a long losing road ahead.
     
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    Thanks for the info Jody. Glad to hear you are happy to go over the tax and pay repeater tax.
     
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    Nurk for 10M for 5 years
     
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    the nerve
     
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    Time to pray for Jabari and AJ Griffin
     
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    Time to trade Dame and start over.
     
  11. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    His statement was accurate though. Whether or not the FO was going to be willing to re-sign Ant is completely different from whether or not we were able to.

    But if the claim is that keeping Norm and his 16.8M contract would have prevented us from re-signing Ant, then that would need to be offset by Bledsoe's 3.9M, Winslow's 4.1M, and Johnson's 2.7M--a cumulative 10.7M. Are you really contending that just 6.1M in salary expense--when they're claiming massive cap space and flexibility is the strength of the upcoming offseason--is the difference between re-signing Simons and letting him walk?
     
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    I would have loved to have gotten him. I think he would have fit really well as a stretch four on this team.
     
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    Yes, I am saying that the reasonable conclusion was that they organization chose to balance the roster - and that means they are not going to be paying 4 guards big money, they would rather pay 2 and spread the money to other positions with bigger players, which basically they are doing. It will not happen immediatly, but they are not stuck with paying all this money for the duration of Norm's 5 year contract.

    Bledsoe, if he remains on the roster next year, is $4m vs Norm's $15+m, Winslow is more of a forward or big guard and even if we keep Johnson in the small guard spot - you are looking at $7m next year and $3m the year after vs 15, 16, 17, 18m for Norm's contract.

    Could they technically do it? Sure. Would they? Given what we are hearing - probably not with ownership's blessing.
     
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    Which of these A) Would sign with Portland and B) make it a deep playoff team?

    https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/

    I honestly don't know. Hoping for an answer. Ayton will stay a Sun I would guess, especially if they go to the finals again, or even win.

    It's a bad FA class for Portland if you ask me.
     
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    Those outcomes don't have the Blazers in the tax either.
     
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    "4 guards" is a red herring--the CJ deal was independent. And I'm sorry, but 16.8M is not "big money" in this NBA.

    But I concede--if you believe that Justise Winslow, Keon Johnson, and whatever the Blazers might be able to procure with an additional 6M in cap space will be more impactful/beneficial to the Blazers than Norm Powell, or would have greater trade value going into next season, then there's really nowhere further for this discussion to go.
     
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    First of all they traded CJ so its 3 guards on contracts not 4.

    Second of all I never said they had to keep Norm for 5 years. They could've traded him today, traded him in the summer, traded him at the start of next season, traded him at the next deadline, etc. None of those would have an implication of a $1 of luxury tax.

    The team rushed this trade of Norm and Roco getting nothing in return. Its an indefensible trade, and all of the theories you have explained don't make good strategic sense to a team contending, nor a team rebuilding.
     
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    You really need to stop with this stuff man, you really don't know what you're talking about. If Bledsoe is on the roster next season he makes 19.3M, if we opt out of his contract therefore removing him from the roster then we have to pay him 3.9M and most of that will stay on our cap.

    If you think the trades were great, good for you but I just don't think you understand why they were so bad. You think we can keep Bledsoe for 3M and think that there is some scenario where we can't keep a guy who is a RFA with bird rights. SMH
     
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    Thad Young, TJ Warren are the only guys I would consider above the MLE, and probably prefer only 1 year guaranteed. Roco is probably third if we hadn't burnt that bridge.

    This cap space plan is shit.
     
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