The 2022 Trade Idea Thread, now with more urgency!

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  1. BankTeller

    BankTeller Well-Known Member

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    Seriously? Pelicans have a couple young players that would be great for us. CJ is another version of Dame/Simons and Powell is just too undersized for us. CJ actually seems like he’s had more trade interest this year than any previous year outside of the Indy PG summer. There’s enough interest for both guys and we have to be proactive in a sellers market.

    Trey Murphy III, Herb Jones

    Both young guys could get the development here to fill a huge need. If they want Norm, I’m asking for Murphy, a 1st, and whatever filler is needed to make the trade work. If they want CJ, I’m attaching him with Zeller and even a 2nd if they wanted and I’m asking for Jones + Murphy + 1st + filler.

    Need got the hype with Ingram. He’s got a bit of CJ in his game. What does Ingram do significantly better than CJ besides getting to the line and rebounding? Ingram’s also 6’8, one could assume that helps. I’d rather bank on potential and get draft compensation than get the “CJ” of another position at around the same salary. Look to FA to fill needs, you’d be saving a little money.
     
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    Windhorst pod today heavy on the Blazer talk. Said it's the perfect opportunity for team to bottom out for a year and become sellers. No other sellers on the market so can try to get a premium back for RoCo/Nurk/Nance if they want. Windhorst said "almost everybody" would want RoCo. "They can certainly get another first for him."

    Not necessarily looking for super young guys in return in trades, but trying to find guys who might fit better around Dame next year. Called it a "retrofitting." Reiterated interest in Myles Turner and how he is example of the guys team is looking for. Also mentioned what we've been saying about how Nurk might be better than Turner but his upcoming FA status makes him very movable.

    CJ's contract is a large $ number but only for two years, so there might be a market for him if the team wants to move him now.
     
  3. wizenheimer

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    you say "getting to the line and rebounding" as if they are minor things. Both are pretty important and Ingram is actually a better passer than CJ too. In the last 2 seasons he's averaged 23-6-5 on decent efficiency, and he's only assisted on half of his FG's; so he creates well for himself and his teammates

    now, an argument could be made that in one way it would be a somewhat lateral move. CJ for Ingram does makes Portland a better team. But how much better is a good question, considering that Ingram make the same amount a year as CJ and has a year more left on his deal. So the Blazers would still be in the position of investing all-star money for a once-in-7-years all-star

    does, for instance, a Dame-Powell-Ingram-Nance-Nurkic lineup push Portland into contention? Or a Dame-Powell-Ingram-Nance-Myles Turner? I do like the looks of that 2nd team even though I do have some reservations about a Dame/Powell back court. Still, I think there would have to be some other significant move(s) involved. But again, I don't think any single transaction will be enough. It will have to be a process

    I wonder, could Nas play SG? How does a Dame-Nas-Ingram-Nance-Turner team look with Simons as 6th man?
     
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    trying to find guys with some sorta injury this year to help us tank and then be on contract next yr.

    - Jerami Grant out at least 2 more weeks, but we can prolly come up with some sorta reason to sit him and stealth tank.
    - Saric -- obvious fit, especially if he can come with Jalen Smith attached.
    - James Wiseman -- he's out indefinitely. I like this one essentially straight up trade for RoCo if GS wants to bite (need to add ~2 mil from GS).
    - TJ Warren -- FA in the summer .
    - Dillion Brooks is out until FEB at least.
    - Oladipo -- FA
    - Collin Sexton -- FA and a bad fit
    - Brook Lopez
    - Zach Collins - lol
    - Jonathan Isaac-- hmmm sucks he's not vaccinated but intriguing.
    - Fultz -- not a great fit
    - Derrick Rose -- I don't want that long contract
    - Paul George /Zion/Kawhi--- guy can dream.
     
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    I just wonder if the Jerami Grant talk is a smokescreen to try to put pressure on Philly.
     
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    I don't think we have the assets that will push us in contention anyway. You might say would Snell for Ingram be enough? Probably no as well. But if our target is to build around Dame then we need to upgrade wherever we can. If we could get Ingram for CJ and we said no it's lateral move then we better just give up hope entirely. Not that Pelicans would even think to say yes.
    It is like you said we need many moves. I add that most likely we will never get there.
     
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    Plus he tuff kid that can rebound from his position and play decent defense.
     
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    ohh if we can get a similar return for Nurk, I would hire Cronin on the spot for getting that deal
     
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    Blazers couldn't just trade Nurk straight up for Turner. Turner makes $6 million more than Nurk. Blazers dont have someone who makes $6 million. They would have throw in Covington or Nance and take another player back from Indiana as well.
     
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    bro i dont want turner. i want OG

    and fwiw, we don't need to add 6 mil. one of our minimum guys is enough
     
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    OG would be good

    For Turner who I know you don't want we would have throw in Elleby and Snell which is doable.

    OG makes $4 million more than Nurk. Throwing in either Snell or Elleby works

    We lose size though by switching out OG for Nurk
     
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    Not advocating trading him, but you know, if I had a lottery pick and needed a guard, I’d give it up for Simons.
     
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    Another thing, if Watford develops the rest of the season, does that make Nance expendable? Because if he does, I think Roco is a better fit because teams actually honor his shot. Watford looks best as a 4 or a small ball 5, same as Nance. I don’t see any in house replacements for Roco, so if we can only pay one, I’d rather it be Roco. All dependent on Watfords development of course, so this is probably more of a topic for the offseason.

    Just for comparisons sake

    Watford per/36

    13 ppg
    9.5 rpg
    2.3 apg
    2.3 bpg
    0.6 spg
    2.9 PF

    Nance/36

    10.7 ppg
    8.8 rpg
    3.1 apg
    0.5 bpg
    1.6 spg
    2.8 PF
     
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    Nance is totally expendable. I wouldn't let a role player hold up any deal like him. He's good but far from amazing. If a team needed him to get a good deal done, I wouldn't lose sleep over it.
     
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    OG has had a terrific season. I can't imagine Toronto trading him. But if they're interested, I would totally make a move for him. A big time defensive player who has shined on the offensive side this season.
     
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    They need a center desperately. They have interest in Nurk, but think they can get him as a FA. They like OG, but have a bit of a logjam between him and Barnes.....and they like Barnes better.
     
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    Norman Powell to New Orleans

    Josh Hart/Herb Jones to Portland
     
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    My bad, I’m only saying that the fact Ingram’s rebounding being better IS a minor thing, he’s 6’8 and CJ is 6’3...You mentioned Myles Turner. He objectively gets more rebounds than CJ. But it really is a minor thing. Maybe it’s just me, but I personally think 7’0 guy averaging less than twice as many rebounds as a 6’3 guy is ABYSMAL.

    Ingram gets to the line 3 more times a year, NICE. It’s weird cause I would’ve assumed that leads to Ingram being a better scorer, but he averaged less than 1 point more than CJ last year and less than 3 points more than him this year. Ingram’s ast/to ration is 1.89 this year, close to 2 last year while CJ is 2.37 this year and 3.35 last year, so I’m not giving you that one. If he was a solid defender, I could kind of get on board with it but the fact that he isn’t turns me off on the idea of Ingram at SF.

    Your line of thought seems to be more along someone’s who is trying to still compete, that’s probably the disconnect. As you’ve stated, it would be a lateral move. 100% agree. That’s why I don’t look at Ingram at all. Turner is a whole other player you’d have to attach stuff with to acquire. Now that’s a lot of assets for not-a-sure-thing. Pass. Taking a gamble on Bamba or Smith in FA is a much better reward for risk than spending 2 1sts for a guy who has stated in the past he wants a bigger role. Between Dame, Ant, Turner, and potentially Simmons, who do you expect to get the least role on offense?

    Picks are easier to trade in the long run. Developing the young guys also increases trade value. Be realistic, how much value do you expect to get back for Ingram if you trade him in 2024 cause he’s said he won’t re-sign?
     
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