<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jun 23 2007, 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I agree. I'd say top 500 is pretty accurate. I'm sure there's 100 more important events, but I'll be damned if I could list them off. I'm sure it would be in the 200's or 300's.</div>yeah, sounds about right.So I don't see the problem with me saying top thousand. that would be like if there were three music singles that got to #37, #78, and #89 and I said "so and so had three top hundred singles".
Landing on the moon was one of the biggest events in history. A moment that brought the World together and really made people think anything was possible. It also played a part in the downfall of the USSR, and struck a huge blow for the US. Sometimes people try to look so hard at battles/wars etc when they have a smaller effect on the future than people think. Time will show how important the landing was.
By ignoring the moon landing, you overlook it's effect on humanity's greatest asset - the imagination.
Ok switch of topic most important even from 1900 to 2000 that changed so many things its gotta be Gandhi or MLK
No not even. World War 1 or two would have to be it. Both shaped the world emmensly(sp?), much more than either of those two did. the Coldwar would be high up there, the Atomic bomb,Birmingham bus boycott, Sputnik all would be high.infact I'll actually list them in order of importance. 1. World war I.Not really the war, but the effects of the end of the war. the treaty of Versailles allowed facist to get in control in Germany, Italy and Spain.2. World war III was hardpressed not to make this tied for first, but world war I lead directly to world war II. WWII also saw the rise of the US and USSR to power.3.Cold war.We're having this conversation on the internet because of the technologies devised to kill each other in the cold war.4. Sputnik and Explorer.Often over looks are the sattalites which were sent into space starting in the 1950s. without them we never would have had all this cool electronics stuff we have now.5.Crash of 29 and the Depression.The Great Depression is an after effect of WWI, some countries experienced it immediatly following the war, others had to wait a decade. the depression saw American society change in such a way like never before. the government took a more active role in our lives, and the second great westward migration happened.6. The flu of 1919.50-100 million dead, you bet your ass thats important. it also lead to some of the first health care insitutions that we see today.7.Birmingham Bus BoycotteMoney talks, and this showed that even the poorest of groups have enough money to hurt the richest. This was also the start of the Civil Rights movement.8.The Great San Francisco EarthquakeShoke reality right into the American concensness(sp?). it also helped change our finacial institutions and began the build revolution from Wood to steel.9.African Rebellions.Colonialism ends10.United NationsNothing has screwed the world up more than this lie of an organization. eventually they will end the soverngty of every nation on Earth.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Jun 25 2007, 06:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No not even. World War 1 or two would have to be it. Both shaped the world emmensly(sp?), much more than either of those two did. the Coldwar would be high up there, the Atomic bomb,Birmingham bus boycott, Sputnik all would be high.infact I'll actually list them in order of importance. 1. World war I.Not really the war, but the effects of the end of the war. the treaty of Versailles allowed facist to get in control in Germany, Italy and Spain.2. World war III was hardpressed not to make this tied for first, but world war I lead directly to world war II. WWII also saw the rise of the US and USSR to power.3.Cold war.We're having this conversation on the internet because of the technologies devised to kill each other in the cold war.4. Sputnik and Explorer.Often over looks are the sattalites which were sent into space starting in the 1950s. without them we never would have had all this cool electronics stuff we have now.5.Crash of 29 and the Depression.The Great Depression is an after effect of WWI, some countries experienced it immediatly following the war, others had to wait a decade. the depression saw American society change in such a way like never before. the government took a more active role in our lives, and the second great westward migration happened.6. The flu of 1919.50-100 million dead, you bet your ass thats important. it also lead to some of the first health care insitutions that we see today.7.Birmingham Bus BoycotteMoney talks, and this showed that even the poorest of groups have enough money to hurt the richest. This was also the start of the Civil Rights movement.8.The Great San Francisco EarthquakeShoke reality right into the American concensness(sp?). it also helped change our finacial institutions and began the build revolution from Wood to steel.9.African Rebellions.Colonialism ends10.United NationsNothing has screwed the world up more than this lie of an organization. eventually they will end the soverngty of every nation on Earth.</div>I like your first 6, can't agree with number 10 at all. In fact I would say it has done more good than bad in its time. The other ones are very important, just not sure if I would have them top 10. No Wright Brothers? Gtting rid of smallpox would make my list too.
They totally slipped my mind, so yes I would put them over the UN. I just dont like the UN, I think they are the problem more than they are the solution. sometimes you justt need to let these people kill each other to end the tension. they've also not really accomplished very much, Kosovo is still a clusterfuck, Somalia is still in civil war,their sancations against Iran, Afghanistan, Lybia and North Korea haven't really worked since those countries all became self sufficient. and George Bush showed the world just how worthless they are when he invaded Iraq, the UN had little to no power to stop him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Jun 25 2007, 07:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>They totally slipped my mind, so yes I would put them over the UN. I just dont like the UN, I think they are the problem more than they are the solution. sometimes you justt need to let these people kill each other to end the tension. they've also not really accomplished very much, Kosovo is still a clusterfuck, Somalia is still in civil war,their sancations against Iran, Afghanistan, Lybia and North Korea haven't really worked since those countries all became self sufficient. and George Bush showed the world just how worthless they are when he invaded Iraq, the UN had little to no power to stop him.</div>Ha, no worries. The great thing about lists like these is that there are so many events/moments that could make a top 5/10 that you can't go far wrong. With the UN I think they should have more power, or as you say they are pretty useless. If they didn't have to pander to every country they could probably get more done. Obviously though that wouldn't exactly be fair seeing as they are there to represent all the nations of the World. I also love the word clusterfuck and might start using it if you don't mind.
The thing that I like about redneck's list, as opposed to things like landing on the moon, is that he names mainly isolated events that have an effect on the world today and could have been changed, rather than stuff that would have happened eventually no matter what (stuff like landing on the moon or the invention of the telegraph) which I don't see as that big an event since it would have happened in any possible scenario and therefore isn't much of a turning point.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Milgod @ Jun 25 2007, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ha, no worries. The great thing about lists like these is that there are so many events/moments that could make a top 5/10 that you can't go far wrong. With the UN I think they should have more power, or as you say they are pretty useless. If they didn't have to pander to every country they could probably get more done. Obviously though that wouldn't exactly be fair seeing as they are there to represent all the nations of the World. I also love the word clusterfuck and might start using it if you don't mind.</div>I disagree with the UN having more power, the UN would drastically abuse power to no extent. and Nations would use the UN to future their political agendas, much like the US did under the Clinton Administration. I do like the idea of having a world forum where leaders of all nations can gather freely to discuss things. but I think within that there needs to be some rules set down so you don't have a lot of Bush v. Ahmadinajad type incidents.go ahead and use clusterfuck, it's one of my favorite words.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tHe_pEsTiLeNcE @ Jun 25 2007, 03:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The thing that I like about redneck's list, as opposed to things like landing on the moon, is that he names mainly isolated events that have an effect on the world today and could have been changed, rather than stuff that would have happened eventually no matter what (stuff like landing on the moon or the invention of the telegraph) which I don't see as that big an event since it would have happened in any possible scenario and therefore isn't much of a turning point.</div>thanks.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tHe_pEsTiLeNcE @ Jun 25 2007, 08:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The thing that I like about redneck's list, as opposed to things like landing on the moon, is that he names mainly isolated events that have an effect on the world today and could have been changed, rather than stuff that would have happened eventually no matter what (stuff like landing on the moon or the invention of the telegraph) which I don't see as that big an event since it would have happened in any possible scenario and therefore isn't much of a turning point.</div>I see what you're saying, although you could also say that about a lot of the main events too. Civil rights would have happened at some point whatever. African countries gaining independance would have happened also.You could say that the Spanish flu would have happened, or something like it, because of the condition that people lived in and the state of healthcare. World War I probably would have happened in some form too, of course World War II was a consequence of the so that wouldn't have happened the same way (and the Cold War after that). San Fran Earthquake I'm pretty sure would have occured the same way, I don't think we can control that! This isn't an attack on any of those on the list by the way as they deserved to be there, just an observation.I love history, ancient history especially, and would love to see more threads about it on the forum.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tHe_pEsTiLeNcE @ Jun 25 2007, 03:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The thing that I like about redneck's list, as opposed to things like landing on the moon, is that he names mainly isolated events that have an effect on the world today and could have been changed, rather than stuff that would have happened eventually no matter what (stuff like landing on the moon or the invention of the telegraph) which I don't see as that big an event since it would have happened in any possible scenario and therefore isn't much of a turning point.</div>There is no guarantee that the moon walk or certain inventions "would have happened eventually." Also, the bold technical strides you mentioned are probably more rare than war. The moonwalk was a singular achievement because it was foretold in early science fiction from the late eighteen hundreds through the 20th century. A U.S. president put going to the moon at the top of the national agenda during the early Cold War. And it happened.Manned moon landings were America's first defining moments against the communist world in the depth of the Cold War. An evolving method of nonviolent combat to refrain destroying the whole world. The Moon landing demonstrated the futility of imagination that a police state engenders. We knew it then. They couldn't keep up, and they knew it, too.
I just don't think that one isolated event in one two country war that resulted in no deaths and only some territory change should be thought of as one of the five most influential events in the last thousand years and would have a hard time acheiving being one of the top five events of its century. No lives were saved or lost over it and it led to nothing else. I'm not debating whether it was valuable, I'm debating the obvious fact that that, along with the invention of the sitcom and blues, are certainly not among the 5 most influential events of the past thousand years.
Really? If there were no gospels, blues, jazz, rock, r&b, and hip hop - basically America's only true gift to art, what would the world sound like today? What would it look like? Same with the development of the sitcom. Use your imagination. I stand by the influential powers of these forms of expression.No good planet is made solely of rock. I had to have substantial liquid in my list.
^^Jazz is the only true form of original American music. Blues, and some early Gospel methods add to that. But, Jazz was the biggy. Everything since is derivative.
