<div class="quote_poster">Quoting PFKApurehoops:</div><div class="quote_post">Exactly... There are reasons to make Tmac, KG, Duncan, Kobe, Shaq all the best player in the NBA depending on where you stand on ranking the best player... I might be bias but I could come up with several reasons why KG is the best player in the NBA... Regular seasons #s dont like... hell even last year playoff numbers dont lie... yes they didnt make it out last season... but they faced the best #5 seed in the history of the playoffs...</div> But thats the point. You can keep making excuses for them. The fact of the matter is that they have had 8 straight first round exits. At what point do the excuses run out? At what point do you say, "Well, he should have been able to move out of rd 1 at least once in the past 8 years?"
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Vintage:</div><div class="quote_post">But thats the point. You can keep making excuses for them. The fact of the matter is that they have had 8 straight first round exits. At what point do the excuses run out? At what point do you say, "Well, he should have been able to move out of rd 1 at least once in the past 8 years?"</div> First off, jackass this is about the best player, not best team... KG WAS the only player on his team last year that actually played at least half ass last season carring a <font color="blue">edit</font> pathetic team to the 4th <font color="blue">edit</font> spot... and then HE, HIMSELF, gets matched up against the best team at the time who just felt like turning it on at the 2nd half of the season, because hey, who plays the 1st half anyways right? Maybe you dont notice but KG does it alone, bar he had troy hudson in the playoffs... but what else... KG and Hudson vs Shaq (who KG cant gaurd, and Kobe who Hudson cant gaurd)... Im not making excuses... Im giving flat out facts... KGs numbers dont lie... maybe if his ass had a lil help he would get out of the playoffs... Id beat anything on it... and he will prove it this year to shut <font color="blue">edit</font> as yourself up... <font color="blue">Edited by thefranchise3. </font>
This is really funny! I am a die hard Kobe fan and even I know TD is better all around player! I think Kobe maybe better later on if TD doesn't improve at all. How can u say he is better then the two time champ?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting PFKApurehoops:</div><div class="quote_post">First off, jackass this is about the best player, not best team... KG WAS the only player on his team last year that actually played at least half ass last season carring a fuckin pathetic team to the 4th fuckin spot... and then HE, HIMSELF, gets matched up against the best team at the time who just felt like turning it on at the 2nd half of the season, because hey, who plays the 1st half anyways right? Maybe you dont notice but KG does it alone, bar he had troy hudson in the playoffs... but what else... KG and Hudson vs Shaq (who KG cant gaurd, and Kobe who Hudson cant gaurd)... Im not making excuses... Im giving flat out facts... KGs numbers dont lie... maybe if his ass had a lil help he would get out of the playoffs... Id beat anything on it... and he will prove it this year to shut fuckers as yourself up...</div> Man, what is your <font color="blue">edit</font> problem? I was being civil in my point. KG has had 8 years. OK. Wally was an All Star 2 years ago, so obviously he was pretty good help. And Rasho still was an above average center. And lets not forget Billups wasn't all that bad either. I wasn't hating on Garnett. OK. Get the <font color="blue">edit</font> point straight. I was merely asking a <font color="blue">edit</font> question. Better question: Why do you have to be a jackass in responding? <font color="blue">Please try to continue this arguement without having to use profanity. Edited by thefranchise3</font>
I would have to breakdown the best player in the league by first arguing it has to be one of the big men in the league. If you look at the NBA Finals from 1999 to present, the winner has had a dominant big man. The last time a team without a big man won was in 1998 with Jordan. Since he left the Bulls the Spurs and Lakers have each owned a share of the titles. The Spurs are led by Tim Duncan and the Lakers are led by Shaq. In order to be considered the best you have to be able to lead your team in the post season and win titles. A lot of teams have 2 capable stars, but what seperates the other teams from the Spurs and Lakers, is that these two teams have the best players in the league. Therefore the following players are eliminated and cannot be considered the best. Kobe Bryant, Tracy McGrady, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Jason Kidd. Eliminating those players leaves Duncan and Shaq as the best in the league. Tim Duncan is the two-time MVP and led the Spurs to the title last season. He has an all around game and completely dominated the playoffs last season on offense and defense. It's very easy to argue Tim Duncan is the best player in the league as of last season. However despite how great Tim Duncan has been, I would have to choose Shaq as the most dominant. I know he received a lot of criticism last year, and it was well deserved because when it comes down to it, Shaq did not handle his injury professionally. He took the Lakers success for granted and he has finally admitted it and is working hard this past off-season to prove he is still the best. The reason why I choose Shaq is because I am confident he will come back and take the league by storm next season. He is hungry again and is fueled by the criticism he received to show the league he has not lost his game and is still capable of being unstoppable. If you look at the last two finals it took the Spurs 6 games to finish off the Nets, but the Lakers swept the Nets and walked through the playoffs the year before. The Spurs were great last season, and Duncan was great, but they definately struggled each round and never completely overwhelmed an opponent. This is why I feel Shaq is better. Teams fear him when he is on top of his game, his intimidation factor gives him the edge over Duncan. The league even made changes to make Shaq less dominating. So the bottomline, Duncan was the best player last season, but Shaq is still the best in the league.
And yes this is about the best player. Duncan, the best player IMO, led his team past the Lakers. And past everyone else. Garnett, a very close runner-up, hasn't. That was my point.
Vintage- Nice posts. You are actually starting to make me sway my opinions on some issues.. Jwillthefreak- What are you talking about?! Your comments are irrevelent to this topic. Please do not try to act like you have quality behind those phony posts..if you post things that make sense, people will respect you, even if you disagree with them or vice versa.. Allnet- I disagree. You think TD is the best, I think Kobe and Shaq are better. We both gave reasons. Mine were right, but we support different teams; it is bound to happen. Enough said.
purehoops- what is your problem? geez! Do you have to swear every time somebody proves you wrong? Vintage has a solid argument but you go off on him.. that is a no no.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Vintage:</div><div class="quote_post">Man, what is your fukkin problem? I was being civil in my point. KG has had 8 years. OK. Wally was an All Star 2 years ago, so obviously he was pretty good help. And Rasho still was an above average center. And lets not forget Billups wasn't all that bad either. I wasn't hating on Garnett. OK. Get the fuckin point straight. I was merely asking a fukkin question. Better question: Why do you have to be a jackass in responding?</div> my fault... it comes off that noone gives the man respect... comes off as Im the only one that has something positive to say about him... and Im tired of defending the playoff record... A 1 man team can not win the title unless your as dominate as Wilt... and KG is not that damn good... Wally yea hes good... but he was injured for a good portion of the season... and he was very bad against the Lakers... he almost threw game 3 aganist them... Your right... I have a tendcy to get "upset" when defending my man KG against all the playoff questions... but I do it all the damn time... yes I feel he does deserve a couple excuses... my bad man... I know you know your **** but you really were just puttin some negative sh!t out about KG and not stating why a player was better then him... you can have your own opinion and if you want I can list several reasons why I think KG is the best in the L right now...
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Allnet- I disagree. You think TD is the best, I think Kobe and Shaq are better. We both gave reasons. Mine were right, but we support different teams; it is bound to happen. Enough said</div> Well put,and nice argueing with you
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting PFKApurehoops:</div><div class="quote_post">my fault... it comes off that noone gives the man respect... comes off as Im the only one that has something positive to say about him... and Im tired of defending the playoff record... A 1 man team can not win the title unless your as dominate as Wilt... and KG is not that damn good... Wally yea hes good... but he was injured for a good portion of the season... and he was very bad against the Lakers... he almost threw game 3 aganist them... Your right... I have a tendcy to get "upset" when defending my man KG against all the playoff questions... but I do it all the damn time... yes I feel he does deserve a couple excuses... my bad man... I know you know your **** but you really were just puttin some negative sh!t out about KG and not stating why a player was better then him... you can have your own opinion and if you want I can list several reasons why I think KG is the best in the L right now...</div> Ah, just forget about this whole incident. I shouldn't have responded the way I did either. Two guys who just like to argue, and don't think they are wrong.......its bound to happen. I didn't list why KG wasn't the best player, but on previous posts I had listed why I believe Duncan was. I forgot, it was allnet, MDE, and JWIll who was posting back and forth, and for some reason, I thought you were in on that too, so I didn't give any reasons why(and assumed my Duncan statements would carry over into this arguement...)
And I do agree, last year, the Wolves played not an ordinary #5 seed. Most years, that Lakers team would have been a #1 or #2 seed. But I think, what was it, 2 years ago.....when they had Billups, a then all star Wally, and Rasho.....that they did have the talent, but just didn't get it done. And obviously this season figures to be different......
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Vintage:</div><div class="quote_post">And I do agree, last year, the Wolves played not an ordinary #5 seed. Most years, that Lakers team would have been a #1 or #2 seed. But I think, what was it, 2 years ago.....when they had Billups, a then all star Wally, and Rasho.....that they did have the talent, but just didn't get it done. And obviously this season figures to be different......</div> Yes but KG has much more to his game now... after he lost in the Mavs series he added more to his game... We head how he averages 20/10/5.. well he does more than that... 23/13/6... 6 damn asists for a big man now a days that doesnt get to handle the ball just blows my mind... the guy just flat out owned last season... with the triple doubles, double doubles... Everyone says his numbers were close to Duncans durin the regular season they were basically the same but I give KG the edge because hes so much more of a better passer... also he gets the jokes about being a twig player... and he plays against no so twig like pfs in the west... Duncan, Webber, Brand ect... these guys appear much strong and he STILL gets it done...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting PFKApurehoops:</div><div class="quote_post">Yes but KG has much more to his game now... after he lost in the Mavs series he added more to his game... We head how he averages 20/10/5.. well he does more than that... 23/13/6... 6 damn asists for a big man now a days that doesnt get to handle the ball just blows my mind... the guy just flat out owned last season... with the triple doubles, double doubles... Everyone says his numbers were close to Duncans durin the regular season they were basically the same but I give KG the edge because hes so much more of a better passer... also he gets the jokes about being a twig player... and he plays against no so twig like pfs in the west... Duncan, Webber, Brand ect... these guys appear much strong and he STILL gets it done...</div> He is actually quite chisled. If you've seen some of his recent photos, it looks like he has added more to his frame. It justs that he is such a long player(long arms, long legs), it makes him look like a twig. He was great last year. No doubt. 6apg for a big man is almost unheard of. No one is doubting his talent nor skill. What some doubt however is his leadership, since the Wolves haven't advanced. No one doubts his skill. He's in the top 5 in the NBA for a reason.
The reason why Duncan doesn't get as many assists is only because of the team play. This is why Bibby on the kings only gets around 5 assists per game. If you watch Spurs games you can see the way they move the ball around the court and you'll see why the whole team shares the assists. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to take away KG's passing ability because it is great for a big man, but sometimes other players passing can be overshadowed by the way the coach runs the team.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Vintage:</div><div class="quote_post">Ah, just forget about this whole incident. I shouldn't have responded the way I did either. Two guys who just like to argue, and don't think they are wrong.......its bound to happen </div> what a heart felt moment *tear* lol just kidding you guys
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Vintage:</div><div class="quote_post">He is actually quite chisled. If you've seen some of his recent photos, it looks like he has added more to his frame. It justs that he is such a long player(long arms, long legs), it makes him look like a twig. He was great last year. No doubt. 6apg for a big man is almost unheard of. No one is doubting his talent nor skill. What some doubt however is his leadership, since the Wolves haven't advanced. No one doubts his skill. He's in the top 5 in the NBA for a reason.</div> yes he has added all the wieght on from last season when he came in a month early to camp... and he added more this season... the criztisim he has recieve has done wonders for his work ethic... hes still quite thin compared to Webber and Duncan... both of those guys are able to hold Shaq (to some limit)... KG can not hold Shaq back for a second... (he actually got switched onto Shaq and was plowed down while he fouled him)... anyways... Yes KG leaderships skills are what you see has his downfall... but what has he had to lead... 1 great/good Wally Szczerbiak season... with Billups on the team... thats bout... last season he lead himself to the damn playoffs... anyways I gaurentee it will be different, and we all have our predicitons but I have faith (lol) it my fav player... each year in the ASG he gets his (not to say its the same)... so I dont think his numbers will drop off any... maybe .1 off his points or something... I know it wont happen but I would love to see Duncan in a system where he hasta do the things KG does... for instance KG doesnt have a system totally devoted to playing around him every single play... Duncan probably gets to touch the ball every time down the floor and the probably 95% of the plays are created for him and his shots are created for him... KG is able to create his own shot but all in all... what KG this season... he will get his numbers and he finally has the help this year... no excuses... and for all the doubters... theres gunna be some rethinkin of what you think of my man KG :tear: that was so beatiful... lol Duncan is a runner up (99.8% as good as KG) then Shaq, Kobe and Tmac rounds out the top 5... then JKidd
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Vintage:</div><div class="quote_post">Check this out(look at Garnett's arms): http://www.basketballboards.net/forum/atta...=&postid=577578</div> ah yes... i love that picture... lookin at boring ole timmy d... do you think he would ever do anythin like that? bauhaha no.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting PFKApurehoops:</div><div class="quote_post">ah yes... i love that picture... lookin at boring ole timmy d... do you think he would ever do anythin like that? bauhaha no.</div> I read the interview in SLAM, and all he did was laugh at KG's comments haha.
