<div class="quote_poster">Quoting the MDE:</div><div class="quote_post">Just curious guys, which would you rather have? 28 ppg, 8 rpg, 9 apg, 2 spg or 22 ppg, 13 rpg, 6 apg, 1 spg</div> rofl i like how you bumped kobe's numbers slightly and kgs down slightly... just to force the issue a bit... Kobe averaged 30.0 ppg, 6.9 rpg, and 5.9apg KG avergaed 23.0, 13.4, 6.0asp you think your real slick bumping Kobe's numbers up dont ya... maybe you should actually do some research before slightly lowerin KGs numbers and uping Kobes numbers to a damn triple double...
KG had a better season then kobe becuase he avg 23 13 and 6 and he was a team player he did not take a lot of shots and kobe almost evrey night took 30 shots.
I know it was his chance but remember the game when he took 48 shots ?I think that is a little to much. And dont forget KG led the LEAGUE in 3doubles and 2doubles.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting JWillTheFreak:</div><div class="quote_post">I know it was his chance but remember the game when he took 48 shots ?I think that is a little to much. And dont forget KG led the LEAGUE in 3doubles and 2doubles.</div> Dude, get real. If you were on a team with a bunch of third-graders, would you pass them the ball every time? Anyways, if you did some research instead of your classic 1-liners, you will see that Kobe actually started off the season with 2 straight tripple doubles..he was leading the league in td's for the longest time until Shaq came back. If Kobe had the T-wolves, he would do just as good...maybe better!
Until Kobe grows 4 more inches and can learn to post up against the big fellas, you can't prove that.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe's job was to take those shots, don't get it twisted.</div> Yea, he sorta forgot about that giant 7 footer camping himself on the low block waiting for the ball to come to him every time down the court...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting slamduncan21:</div><div class="quote_post">Yea, he sorta forgot about that giant 7 footer camping himself on the low block waiting for the ball to come to him every time down the court...</div> Sadly mistaken. I take it you do not watch many Laker games because you clearly have a misconstrued sense of how the Laker formula works. The Lakers break the game down into quarters and within those quarters they have three seperate attack plans. The first minutes are used to get the role players into the flow and open the inside up for Shaq. During the first few minutes players like Rick Fox and Derek Fisher take shots so players don't cheat in the block on Shaq. Then the attack moves to Shaq and he carries them for a majority of the quarter. The final 2 minutes are Kobe time. His role is to close out the quarters and has the green light to shoot on each possession. And most importantly let's not forget the fact that Shaq was injured the entire season and missed a majority of the games. Even Shaq said this year it is Kobe's team and the offense runs through him. Kobe also shot 45% from the field on 23 shots per game. Only 4 other SG's averaged over 20 shots per game and of the 4 only T-Mac and Kobe shot an outstanding 45% plus from the field. "Forgot about Shaq" ... you could not be further from the truth with that statement. As a Bulls fan I would think you of all people would understand the flow of the triangle offense. Take it back when the Bulls were tops of the league. They always started off their games getting Luc Longley or one of the other 3 headed centers early touches. Then the offense would switch to Kukoc and Pippen on the wings and Jordan would close out each quarter and completely take over in the 4th quarter. It's the same formula the Lakers use now, with a few modifications. It is not a matter of forgetting Shaq, it is a matter of the players choosing their spots to take over on offense within the flow of the game.
I know they still heavily rely on Shaq and have to get the role players + Kobe their shots, but I still think that when Shaq was healthier towards the end of the season/playoffs, he should have been the one taking 20+ shots/game. Kobe can take his shots, but I think Shaq needed more shot attempts. What he said about himself not needing to be in shape, and just needing the ball was somewhat true. That doesn't give him an excuse not to be in shape, but it won't matter much if he doesn't get the ball.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting the MDE:</div><div class="quote_post">Anyways, if you did some research instead of your classic 1-liners, you will see that Kobe actually started off the season with 2 straight tripple doubles..he was leading the league in td's for the longest time until Shaq came back. If Kobe had the T-wolves, he would do just as good...maybe better!</div> You're a funny guy man. Seriously. First off, there is no way Kobe himself can lead a team to the 4 spot by himself. He couldnt do it with the T'Wolves so dont get it twisted like hes some hot stuff just because he averaged 30 pts and 8 rebounds for roughly 2 weeks of the season... dont skew the numbers in Kobe's advangtage and then expect for someone not to notice... you really need to do some research... it doesnt matter what Kobe does for 2-3 weeks of the season, because the damn season is 82 games. I gave you the final numbers at the end of the season. I would take KG #s over Kobe's numbers, because if you added KGs numbers to Shaq, it doesnt matter the supporting cast, because the team is going to win. No excuses. I can't wait for Shaq to retire and I hope Kobe gets a team with the supporting cast similar to that of KG or Tmac... then the real test can begin and we can compare Kobe's leadership to that of KG or Duncan or Shaq... because right now he doesnt have it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting twolvefan11:</div><div class="quote_post">Until Kobe grows 4 more inches and can learn to post up against the big fellas, you can't prove that.</div> Awww, Tpup fans..some of the biggest hypocrites in the world.. Aight then, I guess we can't prove KG is a great player until he gets past the 1st round.. :thumbsdow
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting the MDE:</div><div class="quote_post">My goodness people, take a chill pill. Kobe is much better all-around than Duncan. How can you say Shaq is better than Kobe when Kobe is still on the upswing and is pulling out insane stats?! We all remember Shaq's tragic performance in game 5 versus the Sp*rs.. ouch! But now Shaq IS back in full force, so it is hard to say right now.. Oh yeah, Kobe's record w/out Shaq was miserable, he only had Soumalia Samake starting at center and a suspended Rick Fox, and an injured Devean George, and Slamaki Walker, and a broken down Roberto Horry, and undrafted rookie Jannero Pargo, and rookie Kareem Rush. Wow, what alot of help! Dang Kobe, couldn't you at least have gotten 5 wins? Sheesh... TD had David Robinson as his 2nd option? Puh. He had Tony Parker and the refs in his pocket. Got lucky that main players got injured.. Steve Kerr is his savior.. Popazit shouldn't have been coach o'the year either..it twas a bunch of baloney!</div> pffffft. how can we even take you seriously in this discussion, KLLFB?? youve said that - Duncan is overrated - the DUNCAN is teh refs goldenboy -that kobe is better than shaq. I think those three attempted points alone pretty much make anything else you have to say utterly useless and dismisable. Kobe is the refs GOLDEN BOY. he hardly ever gets double teamsed cxause of shaq to start with and players are afraid to D him agressivley cause they know he gets the calls. Kobe is the overated one. peple like to talk like hes the best ever but in reallity hes not even the best on his team. swithc kobe with any other star guard and the lakers are still just as great. remove shaq and kobe couldnt get them to the playuoffs
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting olskoolFunktitude:</div><div class="quote_post"> Kobe is the refs GOLDEN BOY. </div> Wrong. How can we take YOU seriously? Kobe is what, 3rd, or 4th in the league in free-throw shooting? How is he the golden boy foo?
3rd or 4th out of what 10,000 players??? he gets some of the o st amazing calls Ive ever seen. Kobe gets calls when guys brush against his jersey. he is the refs golden boy
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting olskoolFunktitude:</div><div class="quote_post">3rd or 4th out of what 10,000 players??? he gets some of the o st amazing calls Ive ever seen. Kobe gets calls when guys brush against his jersey. he is the refs golden boy</div> Well when you are the best or one of the best out of 10,000 players, then you are going to get more calls, duh. If any guard is a golden boy, it's Paul Pierce. The guy is mainly a jump-shooter and perimeter player. Granted he takes it to the rack for huge slams, but he shoots alot of 3 pointers. How does he get all those calls?!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting the MDE:</div><div class="quote_post">Well when you are the best or one of the best out of 10,000 players, then you are going to get more calls, duh. If any guard is a golden boy, it's Paul Pierce. The guy is mainly a jump-shooter and perimeter player. Granted he takes it to the rack for huge slams, but he shoots alot of 3 pointers. How does he get all those calls?!</div> dont whatcdh many celtic games do you. First of all pierce taes more of his shots on drives than kobe. Pierce gets a lot of calls because he gets HAMMERED every time he goes to the basket (slams arms on MDE to doemonstrate) not very easy to shoot like that huh? kobe gets tapped and he gets to the line. Pierce has lost teeth and not gotten the calls. He leads teh leage in fereee throw attempts but most experts would tell you he should have even more. players just dont lay off him because they know they can get away with it. that and he gets double teamed virtually every time he has the ball unlike kobe who hardly does cause everyones geared towards shaq. if pierce got double teamed as little as kobe and had defenders as afraid to touch him as with kobe hed have identical numbers and htats a FACT
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting olskoolFunktitude:</div><div class="quote_post"> Pierce has lost teeth and not gotten the calls. He leads teh leage in fereee throw attempts but most experts would tell you he should have even more. </div> Actually, Kobe really has lost a tooth and no foul was called. In one of the 1st games of the season, Kobe collided with Antawn Jamison on the last play of regulation and chipped his tooth..no foul was called! and the game went into OT. If Kobe had gotten the call, he would have made the free-throws to win the game. But it didn't matter, the Lakers won anyways.. Most experts would tell me that Pierce should shoot more free-throws? I don't think so..Pierce gets enough as it is..and why do you always claim experts would tell me things? Do you know an expert or something?!
If I didn't watch many Celtics games, why would I be stupid enough to comment on something I know "nothing" about?! Believe me, I have seen the Celts quite a bit, and from what I viewed, I will say Pierce shoots too many free-throws. I mean,somebody has to shoot the most free-throws, but usually it is a big man or a quick, slashing guard.
