The Brilliance of the Evan Turner Signing: Creating Catch and Shoot Opportunities for Our Shooters

He is on the shorter side, but he does have a longer standing reach and wingspan than Gordon Hayward, and his height is fine for a small forward

 

Better defender and athlete....

I don't know if I agree with that.

 

Athlete I could get on board. But Defender I don't believe so.

 

Sorry, but how is asking if your a troll or stupid a personal attack?

geez. We sure are in a sensitive world.
Personally MM? I thought you had thicker skin considering all the crap you talk on here, so I thought you were cool.

Okay, I have to play the PR game with you too.

I said in two to three years. you said years. Kinda arguing the same thing?


Again, I asked if you watched this years summer league. Have you? IF not, then you haven't been witness to his improvement, so you really shouldn't be commenting? Arguing? Trolling? Whatever you want to call it. It was a trolling response and you know it...


ANYHOW... back to the relevant topic. The ON COURT PLAY OF OUR PLAYERS...

Yes, I have seen wicked improvement so far with Vonlehs foot speed and post moves. I expect to see serious growth over this next season, and I do believe he will garner the same type of paint presence Randolph gave us. ITs just 2-3 years out to hit that level.

 

Not really. I typed a bunch of stuff and then deleted in error, but Somehow this portion of a line remained and I missed it.

Okay, I apologize for the personal attack even though I believe I was asking a question, not attacking... Either way, you should expect my type of response based on your trolling response. I honestly think better of you. Your comments were not objective based on what I said. You brought up outside life, which any common sense person would l know I am, not referring to that.

I like butting heads with you, but it needs to be relevant talk, not hogwash.

 

I hate butting heads. I just can't stand when peoples post are baseless and asinine. Saying Vonleh is like Zach, pointing out his summer league play, questioning someone on their opinion is way more trollish than saying Vonleh is nothing like Randolph. One is just positive, so it appears to the person posting it that it can't be trolling

 

THAT guy has a contract that is 50M more than OUR guy

 

I think you need to reread your posts then. For someone who hates butting heads you sure post like you love it.

Again, reread your posts , because you were absolutely trying to lure me in based on off court comments that are irrelevant to what I was saying and I know your smart enough to know this.

 

Not irrelevant at all when someone compares Vonleh to Randolph. Only thing that makes sense is off court.

 

How do you get to that conclusion?

When talking about player development, why would anyone compare offcourt issues when talking about talent improvement.?

You make no sense...just trolling...
I will make sure to speak/type very slowly and clearly for you to be able to better follow what I am saying, so you don't pull these obsurd comparisons that are obviously not the intent of the post...
Will that work better for you?

 

And, in what way is Vonleh similar to a young Zach Randolph off the court? None at all, that I can see. He hasn't been arrested, he hasn't broken a teammates eye socket, he doesn't have a Hoops Family. Please provide some specific examples to back up your comparison.

BNM

 

I'm not sure what my point was?

Vonleh doesn't compare to Randolph on the court, I think?

 

I suppose if you could explain, this time without personally attacking me....again, how Randolph, one of the best unathletic, low block players in the league, who was already extremely skilled at that coming into the league should be compared with Vonleh, a super athletic, player who possesses poor footwork. He's working on it, sure, but he's nowhere near where Zach was at his age.

 

I don't think he is. I said that because it's the only thing I could think of that he was talking about since their games are completely different

 

I never said Vonleh was the next Randolph. That was Orion

 

Hindsight is great isn't it? But, if we're going to play that game, it cuts both ways.

His last year in PDX, Nic didn't want to be here, and he played like someone who didn't want to be here. I'm not sure if his trade was done more to appease him, or to placate Aldridge in hope of re-signing him. In either case, Nic didn't want to be here and his play on the court reflected that. As did his comments after leaving. I was a huge Batum supporter his entire time in Portland. He was my daughter's favorite player ever since the first time she saw him play in a preseason game against Utah as a 19-year old rookie. But, it was time for him to go.

Nic had a resurgence in CHO last year, but his improved numbers were still only slightly better than Turner's. His PTS/36, REB/36 and AST/36 were all slightly better than Turner's, but his TOV/36 and USG% were also higher.

Nic played SG in CHO and that seems to be his preferred, most productive position. He would have had to either continue to play SF in POR (becoming further disgruntled), or C.J. would have been forced to remain on the bench. Had we kept Nic, we probably wouldn't have signed Aminu (his defacto replacement at SF, on a MUCH cheaper contract).

Ultimately, we got Turner, a comparable player for $70 million for 4 years, compared to Nic's $125 million over 5 years in CHO. I'll take Turner's production, his contract, and most of all, the fact that he actually wants to be here over Nic.

And, if we had kept Nic, his cap hold would have been nearly $20 million. That would have severely tied Neil's hands and ability to sign/re-sign other players. And, in the end, Nic probably would have signed elsewhere and we would have lost him without compensation. Or, we would have resigned him to more money than Turner makes and probably would not have been able to match Crabbe.

He's gone, get over it. I know Turner doesn't have the desired Euro appeal, but he's nearly as productive, much cheaper and wants to be here.

BNM

 

Yawnnn.....


Cant explain to you. You wont get it because you are very often stubborn and set in your ways/viewpoints, so no matter what I say, you wont read it the way it should be read.

Vonleh is showing me signs of being able to be our next Randolph in the paint. Did I say he is Randolph now or at the same age of? NO. That's you assuming I said more than I did.

I believe Vonleh has the skill set and potential to be a very impact star at power forward. Is that not what Randolph was for us?

Did I ever say their game was the same, or they compare by age? NO. That's all you assuming.. that's why so many people get soo frustrated with you and assume your trolling...

 

And their off court behavior is even more "completely different". Comparing Vonleh's off court behavior to Randolph's is asinine. They literally have absolutely nothing in common in that regard. At least on the court, they play the same position, have low center of gravities and are relentless offensive rebounders. Off the court, Noah Vonleh has more in common with me than he does with Zach Randolph.

BNM