We need to do both. Get non violent out. Get murderers who pass the “fast track” phase a bullet to the head. Make prisons places that are both an unpleasant punishment but ALSO a rehab and life improvement facility. They should work FIVE days a week, supervised, cleaning up roads, freeways, building fences or tiny homes, speaking to kids, something. None of them should be sitting in a jail cell all day.
We definitely try to look into all of the innocent people we allow our government to kill. Sanctioned execution of innocent prisoners could be ended tomorrow with no negative impact to any of our lives. Such an easy problem to solve.
I definitely think convicted murderers should be sitting in a cell all day. Aside from exercise outside in the secured yard. People rotating back out to society could do the cleanup jobs, for sure.
You want to believe that. From what I saw it looked like self defense. I would have been interested in the trial. I expect our law enforcement to be better than that. Which is why I am opposed to law enforcement killing civilians except in self defense, or an active threat situation.
My stance is that defending oneself is fine. Killing people who are not a threat is not fine. People in jail are not a threat unless the jail allows them to be. You claim there is a benefit, but fail to mention what that might be. This is not complicated, as much as you seem to want it to be.
People in jail are not a threat to society. Let's be real. If murderers in jail kill other murderers that's far better than the government sanctioning the killing. But it should be limited by keeping murderers who are deemed a threat in solitary confinement. I would absolutely support that. Long before I will ever support government sanctioned executions.
I know you didn't address this to me, but sometimes there are other things that makes sense enough to some to overrule a cost, one way or another. Sometimes the joint satisfaction of knowing an evil entity is no longer on this planet is justification enough for people to make sense of it.
Self defense?! Really?! He shot his gun twice! You don't get to shoot people because you feel threatened by a can of mace or bear spray!
You say there is that benefit, but it's not actually true. A person in a room is a threat to nobody. The person in Bend died in the act. I'm good with it. Whoever killed him is a hero. I'm anti government killing its civilians, for sure. But I'm far from antigovernment. I don't fit into a little box that mekes me easy to dismiss, that's true. I base my stances on facts, data, and reality, not feelings and preconceived notions. I've come to hold these beliefs based on years of research and debate. I've changed many prior stances based on evidence, and support of the death penalty is one of them. There is no logical reason to kill execute a prisoner. That is plain and simply blood lust. I understand it, but it's not logical or civilized.
A guy with a visible gun was chasing him after he fled, looking for him, then charging toward him and pulling something from his waste up to aim. That's self defense. He had ample reason to fear for his life in that situation. I understand you don't agree, but that's what the physical and video evidence showed. Yes, if you arm yourself and go harass and beat people with projectiles and aim anything at them you might get shot. And rightfully so. Again, I would have been interested in the trial. It could have cleared up a lot.
I disagree. I consider it a cleansing of pure evil. There are times when lines must be drawn. Rare, no doubt. But a clear cut mass murderer would be one of them. And i believe the majority of civilians would agree with me. So are you implying the majority are not civilized in their thinking?
It showed exactly what I described. There is no reason to think a person wouldn't react the way he did.
