We need better prison systems with more rehab type of programs. Just because our prison system is a failure doesn't mean we shouldn't keep arresting criminals. Fix the prison system. Don't let criminals go.
I think mods would move it to a new thread if it were a problem. True, this guy will not kill again. Rightfully killed in the act by heroes.
Proving people wrong based on logic is not being upset. It is laying out data and facts. Saying there is no logical reason for doing something is not being upset. It is pointing out the fact that something is illogical. If you were able to point to facts, data, or reason which supported your positions you could have made the argument that it was logical, but you weren't able to do so. Which supports the position that it is illogical. Your stance is based on feelings and culture. Not logic. It's a stance that doesn't improve anything. I'm not angry at your for having that stance, I am simply pointing it out as a fact. That is not intended as an insult, rather a statement of fact. If you have data or facts to back up your position I could be persuaded to see the logic. Unfortunately that hasn't happened, so I am left to my prior opinion that the death penalty is not logical, but an antiquated and abusive relic of tyrannical governments, and is actually unconstitutional under the Eighth Amendment. https://www.aclu.org/other/death-penalty-questions-and-answers That's what you get when you allow government to kill non-threatening civilians. I am opposed.
The death penalty should revoked immediately. https://www.aclu.org/other/death-penalty-questions-and-answers
Why? Why are ww not able to continue arresting criminals and improve the prison time at the same time?
I didn't say we couldn't arrest anybody. Our prison population is too large, with too many people being in prison who shouldn't be. https://www.vera.org/publications/s...etherlands-implications-for-the-united-states That's a lot of lost productivity.
I'm pro death penalty when there is zero reasonable doubt but I am for prison reform. Prison should not be a club for bad people to pump iron, watch tv and get their teeth fixed ..maybe get more tats and make more connections with gangs. Take away the tv, internet and recreation and give them books and classrooms and long hard days laboring for the benefit of society. As it is most prisons don't promote reform or teach skills that can change their prospects when they get out. I also think violent criminals should be separated from non-violent prison populations. No violent criminal should be allowed to get out of jail and purchase weapons or ammunition.
40%return to prison within 4 years!. That is very telling thst criminals will continue to be criminals. You don't just let them out. You get them help so when they do get out they are productive. Not destructive.
Whoa. 7 pages just like that! Lol. To the mod who did this. Thanks much. One thing. Can you add a “depends on the circumstance” option to the poll? I have a feeling that is what many would choose if able to do so.
So obviously, jail isn't working... maybe we should look at other solutions? Like Germany and many other countries do. And they have far lower rates of recidivism as well as crime.
Either you created this thread or another mod moved a few posts. I figured why not move the rest to respect the other thread and allow for the full conversation here.
I posted a link earlier. They focus on treatment, rehabilitation and education rather than retribution. They don't generally put people in jail who aren't threats to the public. They make life in prison as close to life outside the prison as possible. They teach people to live healthy lives as they will live it when they are released. They have far better access to education and healthcare. They have far better social safety nets. And they don't encourage the government to kill prisoners.
