Very possible, even more likely than trading Will Barton biting us in the ass, and we can all see that that has already happened. Like I said, I like Crabbe a lot, and if this kind of deal can be made without his inclusion, than I hope Neil can make that happen. Obviously it'd be better to deal Hendo and keep Crabbe, but I think Young/Brolo would be of greater overall benefit to the team over the next 3 years than Crabbe will.
So, not to go all BGD on you, but are you calling Crabbe untouchable? (and LOL on the "hell, toss in Frazier". Yeah, I'm sure he'd be the difference maker!)
Guys like Crabbe are becoming extremely sought after. Case in point: Danny Green. Crabbe is actually outplaying Green, and the Spurs re-signed him last summer to a 4 year, $45 million deal. That guy is making $11.15 million per year, and he's a role player.
Exactly, and that means he'll probably get even more than that this summer. Are you good with paying Dame $25M/year, CJ $20M (probably what he'll get summer 2017), and Crabbe $15M--$60M/year on 3 guys, only one of whom is an all-star, and one of whom might not even be a starter on this squad?
Hmmm. Well no I suppose, but I think he should be last on the pecking order of who to get rid of. Id offer Frazier/Hedno/Leonard/Kaman. Only adding Frazier as a garnish. Not an impact to the trade, not icing on the cake. More like the little flowery designs ON the icing. Just saying Id offer both Hendo and Frazier, before just offering Crabbe.
As I've said several times, I don't want to include Crabbe. I'm just saying that I doubt Brooklyn agrees to this deal without including Crabbe. If the option is include Crabbe in the deal, or deal doesn't get made, which direction do you go? Personally, I'm upgrading two starters over keeping a better backup.
I think I've gotten into debates with people about what Crabbe will get this summer, and I could totally see him getting 11-12 million per year. At this point, CJ has another year before he hits free agency, so I would feel comfortable re-signing Crabbe to a reasonable deal under the new CBA. I want that insurance because I still think there's a good chance we move CJ at some point.
More complete offensively, sure. But Crabbe is a far superior defender. And CJ could likely result in a better net return.
I wouldn't include CJ in a Young/Brolo deal because I think CJ could be used to acquire a star-caliber player. Maybe not 1 for 1, but he could be the centerpiece of the deal. There's a reason why Brolo is supposedly on the block. He's injury prone. He has a big contract, and the league is shifting towards smaller, faster lineups. Honestly, I'm not thrilled with Young/Brolo but if we could acquire them on the cheap, I would do it. Giving up Crabbe wouldn't be "on the cheap."
I think he's #3 on the untouchable depth chart: #1 - Dame #2 - CJ #3 - Crabbe If any of those guys are traded we HAVE to be the undeniable winner in the trade. Earlier I compared Crabbe to an intelligent version of Outlaw. And while I think that's still a fairly apt description of his current game, I'm also getting shades of Rip Hamilton. I think that's Crabbe's ceiling. I don't know if he'll get there, but at this point if I'm selling him it's at Rip Hamilton value.
I personally feel like Crabbe is a better fit long term as our shooting guard. I like CJ a lot, but I'm on the "trade CJ" train. I'm only in favor of trading him for a legitimate star caliber player, so I'm not in a rush, but I don't want to give up Crabbe because I really think he could be an Allan Houston type player. He played in Detroit for three years and then New York reaped all the benefits.
Oh, I agree with you on all that--it's your position on the prospective Young/Brolo deal with which I disagree. I think it would be a massive upgrade for our team, and well worth a deal that included Crabbe (or even CJ, if we also got a pick from a third team).
I guess I'm not sold on Thad, and Brolo is a pretty significant injury risk. So on paper it might be a massive upgrade, but there's definitely a very real possibility that it could bite us in the ass.
Honestly, you have completely sold me open the concept with that speel. Very very well put. Easily the best trade I have seen on this forum
