The Durant Thread

[LayneStaley]

Consistency, that’s my problem and everyone’s problem with Nurk. You never know if Lazy Nurk or Pouty Nurk or Good Nurk is suiting up on any given night. I also know that 7 footers who play BELOW the rim suck. I wish someone could tell me how many games Nurk has cost us over the past few seasons in missed lay ins or flailing hook shots. I think I’ve seen him dunk
5 times in the past 3 season. The guy is soft! Sure he’s a huge body, decent rebounder and good passer but he’s a 4th option on a good team who thinks he’s a second option. Never been a fan and never understood why he gets a free pass for the 3 shitty games he plays in between each decent one.

I do agree the contract is better and no way would Turner sign for that, because he’s better.

 

[wizenheimer]

nurk > turner

I don't know about that

I guess it might come down to what you want from a C. Nurk is a better rebounder and has a much higher assist rate. Bu that comes with a much higher turnover rate. Turner is an elite rim protector and is mobile enough to defend on the perimeter so he's better in a switching defense

Turner has developed a good enough 3 point shot he can stretch the floor. He's also a much better shooter from two, especially at the rim. In the last 2 seasons, Tuner has shot 78.% and 81.8% at the rim; Nurkic has shot 65.3% and 55.4%. Nurk is poor at the basket for a big man...and sometimes really frustrating to watch

I think Turner is probably better. But the thing is Turner may actually have almost as bad an injury history as Nurkic. Neither one of these guys can stay healthy. I'd rather have a decent center who is available than a good one in street clothes

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Bad defender? I don’t think you’ve watched Turner play much then.

Turner’s length, shot blocking and ability to spread the floor would upgrade the roster.

Elite rim protector.

I meant rebounder.

 

[BankTeller]

I know this is a KD thread but since Turner is getting brought up anyway, let me ask ya’ll a question:

What would cost us more: trading for Turner, or trading into the 1st for Dereck Lively or Kel’el Ware?

 

[SIeepwalker]

Dude, Turner sucks. People need to stop bringing him up. He's a super poor defender. You want to have him AND Grant on the floor together?

Bad news bears.

Say no to Turner.

rebounding doesn't matter right ?

 

[Pinwheel1]

I know this is a KD thread but since Turner is getting brought up anyway, let me ask ya’ll a question:

What would cost us more: trading for Turner, or trading into the 1st for Dereck Lively or Kel’el Ware?

If my team was headed for the lottery, (which is what would be needed to get either of those two) I would want to keep this year's pick for sure. So to answer your question I would want more in return for the pick than I would for Turner who has an ending contract.

On a side note, the Pacers have the 2nd lowest payroll in the league. Can they get a free agent next year? If they think they can then they would not want any long-term contracts back. That is where Westbrook IMO..... is attractive. (I would cut him)

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Portland's picks are encumbered till 2030, which is past the 7 year limit anyway

I'm not sure they can swap a pick they don't own outright, and even if they could, the value wouldn't be very high. Maybe they can sell Chicago on lifting the protections this year

False. The value of a swap is nearly entirely on it being in the lottery, at which point its protected to where the Blazers would get it, thus it can be traded.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

rebounding doesn't matter right ?

It does when you have a below average rebounder in Jerami Grant on the floor. Turner is the new Marvin Williams. We're going to hear about him from people who don't watch him play for the next decade...

 

[wizenheimer]

False. The value of a swap is nearly entirely on it being in the lottery, at which point its protected to where the Blazers would get it, thus it can be traded.

Portland's first round picks are encumbered thru 2028...meaning the earliest 1st they could trade would be 2030...which they can't trade because it's past the 7 draft limit. All that's not false

maybe they could trade a pick conditionally, and by the couple of weeks leading into the trade deadline the projection of Portland's picks would be clearer. I allowed for that possibility

I also pegged the value of those conditional picks as low starting with the reality that none would be guaranteed to convey. And the first 2-4 years of a Dame/Durant team would almost certainly create late first round picks, which is again, low value, especially in pick swaps. That's not false

if Portland needs decent draft pick leverage, they'd have to go to Chicago and work out an agreement to just convey this year's pick, regardless. Maybe some cash and/or a future 2nd could get that done. Then they'd have 6 years of of unencumbered 1sts, starting in 2024, to throw into the mix. It's too early to make their 2023 first unprotected though, IMO

in any event, I think the Blazers need to be really cautious about trading any unprotected picks past the 2024 draft

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Portland's first round picks are encumbered thru 2028...meaning the earliest 1st they could trade would be 2030...which they can't trade because it's past the 7 draft limit. All that's not false

maybe they could trade a pick conditionally, and by the couple of weeks leading into the trade deadline the projection of Portland's picks would be clearer. I allowed for that possibility

I also pegged the value of those conditional picks as low starting with the reality that none would be guaranteed to convey. And the first 2-4 years of a Dame/Durant team would almost certainly create late first round picks, which is again, low value, especially in pick swaps. That's not false

if Portland needs decent draft pick leverage, they'd have to go to Chicago and work out an agreement to just convey this year's pick, regardless. Maybe some cash and/or a future 2nd could get that done. Then they'd have 6 years of of unencumbered 1sts, starting in 2024, to throw into the mix. It's too early to make their 2023 first unprotected though, IMO

in any event, I think the Blazers need to be really cautious about trading any unprotected picks past the 2024 draft

I agree with your final sentence.

The rest of your comments; no.

If the Blazers are adding Durant or another great player in trade this season and already have a great record this season it will just be assumed by all parties the 2023 pick goes to Chicago. Then all the wording of traded picks can be conditional on that, just as many teams often have done previously when trading picks. Its really not an issue at all, that conditional wording will have no tangible impact on value of picks traded away. It's just a tiny asterisk in the detailed language that cap dorks can fret over.

 

[Freshtown]

Simons, Little, Hart, and all the picks. Do it!!

 

[Natebishop3]

Simons, Little, Hart, and all the picks. Do it!!

Can Grant and Durant play together? By that I mean, can Grant play small forward full time?

 

[RR7]

Can Grant and Durant play together? By that I mean, can Grant play small forward full time?

I think so. He defends 1-4, so defense isn't an issue. Has a plenty good enough handle for the 3 and is a good shooter

 

[Cugel]

Exactly what would the proposed package be?

 

[Natebishop3]

Fuck it.

Let's go for it.

 

[Chris Craig]

 

[Fairly-Hard]

Fuck it.

Let's go for it.

If there is a way to pair Dame with Durant you absolutely have to try. IMO

 

[SlyPokerDog]

If there is a way to pair Dame with Durant you absolutely have to try. IMO

Even if it means trading Shaedon?

I say yes!

 

[HomerLovesKoolAid]

Would have been a lot easier if we just drafted the guy....

 

[Fairly-Hard]

Even if it means trading Shaedon?

I say yes!

Yep.
At some point you take a chance and try to win a chip.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Simons, Little, Hart, and all the picks. Do it!!

No Sharpe?

 

[Cugel]

If Sharpe gets you Durant it is a no brainer. I dont see Joe as the kind of guy that swings for fences, however. PHX could probably make a better offer and KD would probably rather be there than here.

 

[Idog1976]

I guess if Sharpe is the make it break it guy to trade I'd do it, but my GOD anything short of a Superstar is an FUCK NO!

 

[MickZagger]

Wait why is this being brought up? Is there any evidence we’re trying to trade for him? Or that Brooklyn is making him available?

 

[Irish Trader]

Try this trade and whatever it takes to sweeten the deal

 

[HoopsFanAZ]

Brooklyn’s chance for a chip is done, and they must know it. When Harden bailed, they tried to pivot. It was hope. When Simmons took so long to recover and Kyrie did Kyrie things, they were cooked.

 

[MickZagger]

Brooklyn’s chance for a chip is done, and they must know it.

I don’t know. They actually went on their big win streak this year when Irving wasn’t playing and Durant was healthy, if I remember right.

 

[Idog1976]

Try this trade and whatever it takes to sweeten the dealView attachment 53598

Haha, I mean sure I'd do that, not a chance Brooklyn will. We need to do a trade with Chicago and unlock our picks.

I think this might get it done. Probably someone has done virtually identical and yes I'd throw in a 3rd FRP rather than trade them Shaedon. I would try 3 FRP's first and if that doesn't work cut out 2 FRP's, so just One FRP going to them and give them, **gulp** Sharpe.

 

[Idog1976]

Oh you might also want to unlock the 2023 via Chicago and go 23 FRP, 25 FRP (protect that ish) and up to a 2027 FRP (again protected).

 

[Idog1976]

Not Durant related, but Nets related, what about this trade if the Nets price is too high for Durant or they don't want to trade him at all?