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  1. barfo

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    I'm not sure that's true.

    Social Security wasn't just a socialist plot. It came about because large numbers of old farts were in poverty and not getting help.

    Similarly with Medicare and Medicaid.

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    I never said that ss was a plot. The working person has been paying for it which is fine.
    Are people wanting to come to America for the dream, and to work and be prosperous or live off the government?
    I say most want to come here for the chance at prosperity and freedom offered. Thats cool!
     
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    Both are basically capitalist pension programs with government oversight.

    Neither is socialist in structure or implementation.
     
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    You used the term socialism and I was explaining that socialism involved government take over of business.
     
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    Just because you can't deduce something doesn't mean it's not logical. It just means that you can't understand it.

    And how do you explain the hundreds of thousands of dollars, up to $6 Million spent bribing officials to get their kids into top notch schools? Does
    He said some of the time. His explanation of all of the time meant today's Republicans.
     
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    Democratic Socialism is what I've been referring too. Its a hybrid form of capitalism with more government control through regulations.
    Under Democratic socialism, the ownership of private property is limited. The government regulates the economy. I favor more decentralization and smaller government with States having more say.
    Just my feelings, we may be of different beliefs on politics and /or religion and/or music and/or sports, buts that cool. Thats freedom and we respect each others point of views.
     
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    The word socialism doesn't belong in the expression. It implies a form of socialism which is not the case unless you want to equate swallowing food with swallowing drugs.
     
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    If anything, because the needs of those in Portland oregon may be much different than the needs of those in portland maine.
     
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    I agree, and yes, it is cool.
    If you don't mind working people paying for social programs, then you shouldn't have a problem with so-called 'democratic socialism'. Because that's all it is.

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    That might be a technical definition, but nobody, not even that she-devil AOC, is proposing limited ownership of private property.

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    Not true...it comes with more government control over the economy with a ton of regulations. And then there is the cost. Just my take.
     
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    What what I’ve heard from her is she rather have the government but housing and apartments rather than allow private industry to thrive and prosper.
     
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    I didn't know what her housing policy was, so I looked it up and found this:

    Which part of that do you think keeps private industry from thriving? And which private industry?

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    Her Green New Deal from what I understand wants to take out fossil fuel, well, thats would be tough on the economy and hurt the middle class as like in Europe energy cost will go through the roof.
    Anytime big government takes over any industry it will be poorly managed and the cost will be much higher. There would be so many new gov regulations on many industries that as in the past many smaller companies would not thrive.
    Meanwhile, millions Americans currently employed directly or indirectly in the oil, gas and coal industries are likely to lose their jobs, while manufacturers, transportation companies and steel producers will see factories chased out of the U.S. IMO, Deregulation is the way to go to flash the field for prosperity.
    How can our government pay for everything? IMO, through fiscal irresponsibility, the Fed will print mega trillions of dollars, the demo socialist congress would implement extremely high tax rates as she refers to, and all Americans will get hit with high new energy tax.
    She talks about social justice? its the opinion of many that if the GND was ever implemented the burden of the economic chaos from exploding energy and transportation cost and the many lost jobs and incomes would be given to middle & lower income Americans. Those billionaires would see little impact in their life style.
    Im an advocate of balance and staying in step with American capitalism with a limited government. I believe the private sector could mange any government agency agency a whole lot better with more accountabilty.
    I guess we will have to see what develops.
     
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    Here's a U. S. cost breakdown of different electric energy costs by wikipedia:

    Projected LCOE in the U.S. by 2022 (as of 2016) $/MWh
    Plant Type / Min Capacity / Weighted Average / Max
    Coal with 30% carbon sequestration / 128.9 / NB / 196.3;
    Coal with 90% carbon sequestration / 102.7 / NB / 142.;
    Natural Gas-fired Conventional Combined Cycle / 52.4 / 58.6 / 83.2;
    Natural Gas-fired Advanced Combined Cycle / 51.6 / 53.8 / 81.7;
    Natural Gas-fired Advanced CC with CCS / 63.1 / NB / 90.4;
    Natural Gas-fired Conventional Combustion Turbine / 98.8 / 100.7 / 148.3;
    Natural Gas-fired Advanced Combustion Turbine / 85.9 / 87.1 / 129.8;
    Advanced Nuclear / 95.9 / 96.2 / 104.3;
    Geothermal / 42.8 / 44.0 / 53.4;
    Biomass / 84.8 / 97.7 / 125.3;
    Wind Onshore / 43.4 / 55.8 / 75.6;
    Wind Offshore / 136.6 / NB / 212.9;
    Solar PV (photo voltaic) / 58.3 / 73.7 /143.0;
    Solar Thermal / 176.7 / NB / 372.8;
    Hydro / 57.4 / 63.9 / 69.8.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source
     
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    Good example, however unintended, of the total failure of "democratic socialism" and how it is responsible for taking American Freedom and Personal Prosperity from it's historical apex to the cliff's edge of totalitarian communism and inescapable debt it is currently teetering on.
     
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    What do you think "Democratic socialism" is and how does it differ from socialism?
     
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