<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vikingfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>At least 99%? So 1% could not have been completed? Why weren't they completed? The reason Favre threw so many INTs last year was because he made poor decisions.</div> They could have been completed. That means they're passes that the reciever had a chance to catch, but they were outplayed by the defender. The decisions that you're calling poor are when he throws a long pass into tight coverage, well when the defenders are flat out better then the recievers they're always going to have them covered well. I'm willing to bet that a good percentage of his interceptions came when they were losing, so they had to score. I know Favre takes the blame and any good QB will, but I'm just pointing out that it's not exactly a bad decision to throw a long jump ball to a tightly covered reciever when it's the only chance you have to win the game. How many times did they have long drive only to have someone drop the ball in the red zone, or the back couldn't get in, or no one could get open. Like I said in my opinion, Favre did what he had to, to give the team a chance to win the games.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Packersfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>Like I said in my opinion, Favre did what he had to, to give the team a chance to win the games.</div> Sure...I understand where you are coming from, but by taking that chance, Favre actually hurt his team's chances. A QB needs to know his receivers abilities - if his receivers don't have the heart or the ability to challenge a jump ball, then why is he throwing them? If a receiver is not getting open, then why is he forcing the ball? Trust me, here in Minnesota we know all about QBs who try to do too much. This was Culpepper's biggest fault - he would always try to force the issue when he thought the game was up to him. The results were always bad. My point in posting this is that Favre should not be defended by blaming 'freak' games or poor receivers. Favre is the signal caller, he's the decision maker, he's the leader. 90% of the time, having to kick a fieldgoal or punt the ball is better than risking an INT. How will he do this year? Who knows - I do know that he will continue to throw picks, that's what Favre does. Whether or not his receivers can step up and catch a few of the balls they are supposed to catch, and some that are pure risks on Favre's part, remains to be seen.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder)</div><div class='quotemain'>Despite Favre's emotional state & allegedly diminshing physical skills, he is currently the best QB in the NFC north. Brad Johnson is a distant 2nd.</div> Satan might want to put on a cardigan today because I'm going to totally disagree with this statement by BA. I think Brad Johnson outplayed Favre last year. Johnson protected the ball much better than Favre and I believe that turnovers are one of the more important aspects of winning football games. Johnson did a better job of playing to the capabilities of his team. I think that Brad Johnson was as good of a team leader as Favre was last year. Before someone twists my words, I am talking about last season and not their careers.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pack Attack)</div><div class='quotemain'>I wish there was a way to see all 29 of those interceptions on game film. I know that at least half of them were directly Favre's fault because of bad decision making. I won't dispute that. I do remember some pretty freak things, though. I mean, he had four or five picks in one game against Cincinnati. That was just a bizarre, bizarre game. I remember a few were tipped or batted in the air at the line of scrimmage. I remember a few being "jump balls" that the defender wanted more. In the end, interceptions always fall on the QB, regardless of the reason. Favre owns up to them, so I don't see any reason to break my back defending him for having a bad year. I think he'll rebound this year.</div> I would like to think that Favre will bounce back this year, but I'm not so certain. I just don't think it's so easy to turn the interceptions on and off, especially for a 36 year old QB. Clearly, Favre wasn't trying to throw 29 interceptions last year, so why is it going to be so easy for him to keep from throwing them this year? It seems to me that when an athlete slips in an area so late in their career, it's rare for them to return to their old form. I blame video games for this lack of real world objectivity.
We'll the offense they're are installing is a much more traditional West Coast offense, the Deep ball is becoming much less of a focus, and the passing game will once again become an extension of the running game, coupled with the Zoneblocking scheme this could make for some interesting plays, Im sure Favre still throw PLENTY of pics this year, probably once again to many for my taste, but Im betting he throws more touchdowns than picks, im Giving him 25+ tds this year, with 15-18 Ints still alot, but the deep ball being removed as the primary passing play will help his game big time.
It wasnt All Favres problem this year. His widerecivers could of caught some balls more and the line was new and frigial. And his running backs had a few problems. It wasnt all his fault
I never said that ALL of the interceptions are Favre's fault. However, he did throw 29 interceptions, so he had plenty that were. Too many to assume that he can just turn the interceptions off. I couldn't find another QB that had twenty last year. I just don't see how people are just assuming that Favre will lower that number or throw more TDs than Ints this year.
I'm going to say that nearly all of his INTs were his fault. Its a rare occassion when you can't blame the QB at least partially for a pick. Its the QBs decision to throw the ball...if his receivers weren't talented enough to catch it in that situation, he shouldn't have thrown it. I will admit that there are some times when a receiver just doesn't do his job. A certain Eagle's receiver (not TO) was known for that. The one thing that is working against Favre is that the NFC North has gotten better in coverage all around. I am starting to think that Favre did so well in the past because he got to play against soft defenses like Minny. (<-- not being entirely serious)
I think that something like 20 of those int's were when they were behind and he was pressing. B rad had the advantage of the Viking D stepping up and him not having to win games for them. I'll say this for Brad if he's in the right situation he's an underated QB
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'>I never said that ALL of the interceptions are Favre's fault. However, he did throw 29 interceptions, so he had plenty that were. Too many to assume that he can just turn the interceptions off. I couldn't find another QB that had twenty last year. I just don't see how people are just assuming that Favre will lower that number or throw more TDs than Ints this year.</div> did you read my earlier post?, I think the philosphy of the new system will help with that extremely.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pack Attack)</div><div class='quotemain'>I wish there was a way to see all 29 of those interceptions on game film. I know that at least half of them were directly Favre's fault because of bad decision making. I won't dispute that. I do remember some pretty freak things, though. I mean, he had four or five picks in one game against Cincinnati. That was just a bizarre, bizarre game. I remember a few were tipped or batted in the air at the line of scrimmage. I remember a few being "jump balls" that the defender wanted more. In the end, interceptions always fall on the QB, regardless of the reason. Favre owns up to them, so I don't see any reason to break my back defending him for having a bad year. I think he'll rebound this year.</div> I would like to think that Favre will bounce back this year, but I'm not so certain. I just don't think it's so easy to turn the interceptions on and off, especially for a 36 year old QB. Clearly, Favre wasn't trying to throw 29 interceptions last year, so why is it going to be so easy for him to keep from throwing them this year? It seems to me that when an athlete slips in an area so late in their career, it's rare for them to return to their old form. I blame video games for this lack of real world objectivity.</div> Well we're just going to have to wait and see what Favre does this season.. I also don't think one good season makes a QB better than anyone else. Brad Johnson outplayed Favre last season but when push comes to shove, Favre is the better QB even after his one bad year. Now if he does the same thing this year and Johnson puts up better numbers, then I'll agree and go with Johnson, since Favre would then prove that he mentally can?t play the game any longer. As for how the INT's are going to improve. People don't realize just how injured the Packers were. We played with 3 WR's on the roster for most of the season. Rod Gardner played 2 games as a packer. The rest of the time it was Donald Driver, Antonio Chatman, and Robert Ferguson. Green Bay lost Bubba Franks for about half the year as well. So we had only 2 TE's on the roster. That's 5 receiving threats, the Packers had and Chatman missed some time as well. Our backfield was depleted. We lost our #1, #2, and #3 RB's for the year. Gado came on and then missed the last 3 games I believe. Packers on offense were as close as you can come to labeling a team crippled. People also forget that Favre was tied with Carson Palmer in TD passes for the 1st month in a half of the season and had only 5 or 6 INT?s at the time. It went down hill from there as we lost our running game for a few weeks. We lost any receiving threat opposite of Driver. This year hopefully will be different and I think it can. Mike McCarthy is actually making Favre work at practices. Mike Sherman told him to stay home. The extra work, I hope proves to pay off in the long run for Favre. GB has a healthy receiving threat. Driver, Ferguson, Gardner, Jennings, Rodgers, Lucas, and Boerigter are all healthy heading into training camp. All 3 of our top TE's return and they're all healthy now. Franks, Lee, and Martin. The backfield has a healthy Samkon Gado. He made every practice for mini camps. Green and Davenport are expected back in August. The offensive line is running a zone blocking scheme if ran well, will give Favre more time to make his throws and help gives us a running game to setup the pass. So things are definitely looking up from what they were last year. The team is healthy on offense which ultimately I think will make a huge difference in Favre's numbers. He'll still throw at least 15 INT's but I think he can keep it in the 15-20 range and throw 20+ TD's.
Porky well said. This year hopefully the kids on the O-line can step up and protect him. We were spoiled so many years with that line that was arguably the best in the NFL. For the first time Brett couldn't sit back in the pocket where with time I still think he is in the top 3. I'm gonna predict he's gonna finish strong this year and become the all time TD king, sitting on the throne where he belongs. One other thing he brings that goes unnoticed is how he makesx everybody around him better. It doesn't matter if your a 6th sting WR if you come in he's going to look your way and help you out. If you polled the players I wouldn't be surprised if he was the #1 guy most players would want to call a teammate
