This is an easy one for me Dwyane Wade would be my choice to start a franchise with. Dwyane Wade can dol it all from hitting the jumpers, driving to the basket, dishing it to other people, but also the one thing that he can do is play defense and Gilbert Arenas never seems to try on d at all. Gilbert Arenas might be the better shooter and more clutch but he can't do it all like Wade.
I wouldnt even really say that Gilbert is more clutch than Wade is. Even though Arenas has had some clutch shots in the regular season so far, just look at what Wade did last year in the playoffs. All of the clutch performances that he had. Not neseccarily the final shot of the game, but coming up HUGE when his team needed him most. He was clutch when his team was down 2-0 in a series, and he even made huge shots in the ends of games. To be honest, Gilbert is just a better shooter. Thats it.
Not to mention what he has done in previous playoffs and the NCAA tournament. He come sup huge in big game situations and in playoffs. His 17 straight points, including game winner agaisnt Detroit last season was the turnaround for Miami.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (moses2121 @ Jan 28 2007, 04:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This is an easy one for me Dwyane Wade would be my choice to start a franchise with. Dwyane Wade can dol it all from hitting the jumpers, driving to the basket, dishing it to other people, but also the one thing that he can do is play defense and Gilbert Arenas never seems to try on d at all. Gilbert Arenas might be the better shooter and more clutch but he can't do it all like Wade.</div>My lord.Roaming for blocks and steals his not good defense. Wade Puts no effort in guarding his man. He gambles, goes for the steal. If he doesn't get it, easy lay up. it isn't like he laterally slow or injured or aging like other elite defenders (bowen slowed down by age) he is in his athletic prime and is simply puts no effort on Man to man D.There's so much myths regarding nba players in general. We have some people here who think Kobe is playing good defense this season or that jason kidd is the best pg defender in the league. And then we have mavsfan who thinks Wade is a good jumpshooter
Nitro, if Gilbert wasn't jacking too much from the arc, he'd be averaging about 46-48% FG shooting.That's the only thing I don't like seeing from him. 1/4 of his FG attempts have been from the damn arc. And not many of his teammates are great finishers.An example is the game against detroit, he could've had more than 10 assts. Haywood and Butler just wasn't able to hit the shot. He'd be averaging more than 6.3 assts if his teammates are good finishers, and I'm referring to them throughout the season, not just based on the game against DET. Arenas is barely behind Wade in RPG, and in steals. I haven't seen Gil attempt for a steal a lot lately after banging his shoulder against Patterson weeks ago. Wade has the edge defensively, but it's not much. He's not that good on man-to-man D. I didn't watch the game but I heard he defended Crawford for much of the game (correct me if I'm wrong). Crawford exploded for 52 pts and the NYK won. Gil's been showing some good decisions this season. He's not lobbing the ball from f*cking 100 ft as much, resulting in fewer TOs this season. Gil's been clutch this season and we'll see how he'll do in the postseason. He may have choked on Game 6 against the Cavs, but to say he's not much of a clutch as Wade is, is crazy. Of course Wade has more clutch performances during palyoffs but that's because he's had 44 Playoffs appearances as opposed to Gil's 16.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ultimate @ Jan 28 2007, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Nitro, if Gilbert wasn't jacking too much from the arc, he'd be averaging about 46-48% FG shooting.That's the only thing I don't like seeing from him. 1/4 of his FG attempts have been from the damn arc.</div>If Wade didn't shoot so many jumpers his FG % would be well over 50%.We can play that game all day, but Arenas' huge games are because of those crazy shots he takes. It works both ways. Bottom line is that Wade has a higher FG %, and if both didn't take so many jumpers Wade would still have a much higher FG %.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>And not many of his teammates are great finishers.An example is the game against detroit, he could've had more than 10 assts. Haywood and Butler just wasn't able to hit the shot. He'd be averaging more than 6.3 assts if his teammates are good finishers, and I'm referring to them throughout the season, not just based on the game against DET.</div>Have you even watched a Miami Heat game this year??? Walker is shooting under 30% from 3pt, Payton is under 40% from the field, Jason Williams wasn't in the lineup to start the year, etc... The only constants have been Kapono and Zo, but Zo is not a great scorer and Kapono didn't start getting big minutes until recently. On the other hand, GA has 2 all stars and decent role players to pass to. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>He may have choked on Game 6 against the Cavs, but to say he's not much of a clutch as Wade is, is crazy. Of course Wade has more clutch performances during palyoffs but that's because he's had 44 Playoffs appearances as opposed to Gil's 16.</div>I agreed with everything you said until here. 2 years ago he was crap in the playoffs, especially when his team needed him the most against the Heat. Last year he was outplayed by Bron, including in the clutch. Then you look at what Wade has done in his career in the postseason, in college, etc... Sure, he has had many more attempts, but because of that you can't dismiss what Wade has done in the postseason.
