The Hawks make a great offer for Iverson

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 10 2006, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, I think they will. Colangelo will start getting some defensive minded players too. You're forgetting Joey Graham and Mo Pete. Mo is already a very good defender who stays on his man, tries, and draws charges. Joey played great defense in college, and I bet he will play defense in the NBA. We will get a Center eventually who plays good D. And eventually Bosh and Bargnani, even TJ will improve their defense because I know thats what our coaching staff will be stressing in the next few years. We'll see how it goes, but I guarentee playoffs in 2 years.And BCB, people call me moron, stupid, retard in debates. It's not a big deal. I dont even complain about that stuff. In debates' things sometiems get heated. Stop bitching and whining over one thing.</div>whoa, whoa, WHOA!! Did you seriously just call Mo Pete a "very good defender"?? WOW, that's just horrible. He's an awful defender. He repeatedly gets burned, and he's not strong enough. Paul Pierce scores on him literally at will. And what makes you think the rpas coaching staff will suddenly start preaching defense? It obviously hasn't been a priority in the past, why would they do it now?And BCB wasn't bitching over anything.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Jul 10 2006, 03:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>whoa, whoa, WHOA!! Did you seriously just call Mo Pete a "very good defender"?? WOW, that's just horrible. He's an awful defender. He repeatedly gets burned, and he's not strong enough. Paul Pierce scores on him literally at will. And what makes you think the rpas coaching staff will suddenly start preaching defense? It obviously hasn't been a priority in the past, why would they do it now?And BCB wasn't bitching over anything. </div>LMAO Mo Pete an awful defender? He is pretty far above average in this league. He stays on his man, tries, and draws charges. You have probably never seen a Raptors game in your life, so dont even talk. Mo plays very solid defense. You are a retard if you think he's an awful defender.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 10 2006, 02:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>LMAO Mo Pete an awful defender? He is pretty far above average in this league. He stays on his man, tries, and draws charges. You have probably never seen a Raptors game in your life, so dont even talk. Mo plays very solid defense. You are a retard if you think he's an awful defender.</div>Yeah well your a retard for thinking he plays good defense.

 

i've never seen a raps game in my life? don't be ridiculous.Since when is taking charges a sign of good defense? Mo Pete is a poor defender, he can get taken on the blocks or from the perimieter. He's too weak, and offense is his prority.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wade3 @ Jul 10 2006, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why would AI leave Philly for another team he isn't going to win at? If he goes anywhere. it will be where he can win games.</div>Dude you have no idea what is even going on. AI hasn't asked to leave Philly. BK wants to get rid of him. Cmon you should know this by now.

 

And again with the name calling....

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Jul 10 2006, 04:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Oh, he's part in the problem isn't small by anymean. I'm talking about d, on offense no-one should nitpick on what he does.</div>Obviously Iverson isn't the greatest man-to-man defender, but his defensive liabilities are small in comparison to Webber. Webber makes Iverson look like Bowen out there...

 

lets not start the webber hating!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kingjamez @ Jul 10 2006, 03:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah well your a retard for thinking he plays good defense.</div>Wow, taking sides are we? Youve obviously never seen Mo Pete either. I see every Raptors game and he plays solid defense. He is the best defender on our team. He plays good, solid defense. You know nothing, so wjhy even bother posting?Honestly, I have no idea how you are a global mod.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Jul 10 2006, 03:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>i've never seen a raps game in my life? don't be ridiculous.Since when is taking charges a sign of good defense? Mo Pete is a poor defender, he can get taken on the blocks or from the perimieter. He's too weak, and offense is his prority.</div>WTF are you talking about? How is taking charges not good defense? It takes skill to get yourself properly set up so the oppenent will run straight into you. It is good defense being able to stop an offensive player from scoring, anyway you do it. A poor defender? Thats a joke. He is a very good defender. He stays on his man, doesnt let anyone pass him easily. He is a good defender. You obviously dont watch any Raptor games if you think he is a very bad defender. I lost all respect for you after that comment...

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 10 2006, 12:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It takes skill to get yourself properly set up so the oppenent will run straight into you. It is good defense being able to stop an offensive player from scoring, anyway you do it.</div>I have seen elementary school kids taking charges at their level. Are they "very good defenders" too?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 10 2006, 03:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wow, taking sides are we? Youve obviously never seen Mo Pete either. I see every Raptors game and he plays solid defense. He is the best defender on our team. He plays good, solid defense. You know nothing, so wjhy even bother posting?</div>Taking sides? I just think Mo Pete isnt a good defender, like you say he is. He's decent at best, but he's a liabiltity. Honestley - Whats the deal? You call BCB a retard, than anyone that thinks he has bad defense; a retard. So..

 

Mo pete is the best defender on their team...

 

LMAO, a liability? He tries his hardest on defense and plays good defense. You have no idea what you're talking about sir. So just stop right now while you havnt made that much of a fool of yourself.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 10 2006, 02:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wow, taking sides are we? Youve obviously never seen Mo Pete either. I see every Raptors game and he plays solid defense. He is the best defender on our team. He plays good, solid defense. You know nothing, so wjhy even bother posting?Honestly, I have no idea how you are a global mod.WTF are you talking about? How is taking charges not good defense? It takes skill to get yourself properly set up so the oppenent will run straight into you. It is good defense being able to stop an offensive player from scoring, anyway you do it. A poor defender? Thats a joke. He is a very good defender. He stays on his man, doesnt let anyone pass him easily. He is a good defender. You obviously dont watch any Raptor games if you think he is a very bad defender. I lost all respect for you after that comment...</div>taking charges is NOT a sign of someone being a very good defender. Al Jefferson freaking takes charges, and he's a bad defender. You lost respect for me? like you had any to begin with, you're just a punk that talks on and on about sh*t he doesn't know about. I've seen him plenty of times, and kingjamez put it in the right words. He is a liability."You know nothing, so why even bother posting?" -Do you know how many times we could use this line on YOU?<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 10 2006, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>LMAO, a liability? He tries his hardest on defense and plays good defense. You have no idea what you're talking about sir. So just stop right now while you havnt made that much of a fool of yourself.</div>He tries his hardest? there are two things wrong with that. 1.) He doesn't try his hardest, offense is a priority for him. 2.) Even if he is trying his hardest, it doesn't seem to be working, bc he repeatedly get scored from what i've seen.

 

Settle down or this is being locked.

 

But back to the original topic if the sixers can get both marvin williams and Josh smith for AI i think they should do it because even the poeple in philly dont run to the arena anymore to watch AI play

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dmoney0199 @ Jul 10 2006, 08:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But back to the original topic if the sixers can get both marvin williams and Josh smith for AI i think they should do it because even the poeple in philly dont run to the arena anymore to watch AI play</div> But both players are SF's and the 76ers already have Carney and Iguodala...that makes them in the sense the new Atlanta Hawks.

 

this thread didn't need to be locked. If you can't handle threads getting heated, then you shouldn't come here.And taking charges does NOT indicate good defense. That's just sacrificing your body for the sake of the team. It has nothing to do with defensive abilities. And you were the one that says steals has nothing to do with good defense. i have never seen mo pete put all his effort into defense and actually lock someone down. And i've seen him more than once. He and Joey Graham collectively gave up 81 points from one player. And it's not like Kobe was just hurling things in, he was burning the defense.

 

true that would give the hawks 2 SF's back but maybe they can package Smith or Marvin with someone else and maybe get a PG

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Jul 10 2006, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But both players are SF's and the 76ers already have Carney and Iguodala...that makes them in the sense the new Atlanta Hawks.</div>I agree with that but I think we should get Harrington instead of Williams then he can play PF for us and Smith would play SF for us. Im thinking we won't resign Slamons to help with the logjam.