The "How are Aldridge, Batum, Lopez, and Matthews Doing?" Thread

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  1. Tunchi

    Tunchi Well-Known Member

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    Wow 3 years 11M for Barton? What a steal.. Never mind then
     
  2. KeepOnRollin

    KeepOnRollin Well-Known Member

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    3 year 11 MIL extension signed in July. So peanuts at less than 4 MIL a year on average.
     
  3. BBert

    BBert Weasels Ripped My Flesh

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    For me it's more about we ended up losing assets for essentially nothing.
     
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    Pinwheel1 Well-Known Member

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    Barton would not have re-signed as
    Barton was going to be a FA, how would he of been an asset last summer? Was he going to re-sign to sit behind CJ and Crabbe?
     
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    BBert Weasels Ripped My Flesh

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    Hmm...you might have a point. ;)
     
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    Didn't we give up a 1st round pick, or multiple 2nd rounders, along with him? That's the lost asset, not Barton himself.
     
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    Yep if we make the playoffs then that is definitely a lost asset for nothing.
     
  8. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Barton was RFA. Had we not traded him, we would have kept him.
     
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    But I think they made that decision when they traded him. They still had Wes and CJ and Crabbe. Even without Wes we all knew they had to make a decision between Will and Crabbe. And Crabbe was the right choice. Barton needed a chance to play somewhere. He was not going to be re-signed.
     
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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Crabbe plays a lot of 3. CJ plays plenty at 1. We weren't paying to keep Wes if Aldridge wasn't staying. Barton could easily have stayed and thrived.
     
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    Yeah he could be getting Henderson's minutes, but he is getting 30 minutes per game in Denver and that's why he has progressed. Plus would he really thrive next to CJ or Dame?
     
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  12. riverman

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    The reality is, Will is a better player now then he was on our bench...he had a good off season it seems..he's added muscle and improved his outside shooting. Everybody loved thrill but he has done what Patty Mills did and improved...credit to him. Some of that nobody saw coming. Olshey said he was happy Will found a place in a rotation. He is still not nearly as good on defense as Crabbe is and Crabbe is also a case in point...he improved in much the same way..Will is just really fun to watch
     
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    Will was showing signs of this almost immediately after being dealt. If he had still been around when Wes went down, who knows what he might have shown here. Honestly, the biggest hindrances to developing CJ/Crabbe/Barton last year were the presence of Blake and Wright on our bench. But still, that is Neil's job; to have the foresight to know which of his draftees are worth keeping around for another season or two to give the opportunity for development. He whiffed on this one. Doesn't mean he's a bad GM, but there's nothing wrong with lamenting the error.
     
  14. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Crabbe > Will

    Don't get me wrong, I loved the People's Champ, but he was a ratball player when he was here. He could just as easily hurt our team as he could the other team. He played out of control, and sometimes that was a good thing, but it wasn't what we wanted last year. We wanted steady. We wanted experienced. We were trying to make a playoff run, and guys like Will and TRob were unreliable. Stotts couldn't count on them to play within the system and make the right decisions.

    Crabbe is a very intelligent player. He plays very well within the system. He works hard, he plays defense, and he passes the ball. I like Will a lot, but I would take Crabbe over him.
     
  15. B-Roy

    B-Roy If it takes months

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    Will is more talented than Crabbe for sure. But I think Crabbe is an easier fit on most teams. You can plug Crabbe into just about any team and they could integrate him just fine. Will needs a role, he needs the ball in his hands.

    I wonder if Will could play the 3&D type role though. Will is shooting the same % from 3 as Allen, on almost one more attempt per game.
     
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    Fixed it for you.
    Crabbe is one of the most overrated players on this team. He has turned into a decent/good serviceable player, but most of the time - he isn't a difference maker. Will impacts the game a whole lot more than Crabbe does.
     
  17. KeepOnRollin

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    Will may be better than Crabbe but only if you played both 30 minutes a game. If both were only getting 18 minutes a game then Crabbe is better as he is more consistent in shorter stints and doesn't have as many peaks and valleys.
     
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    That has to be the most awkward, ambiguous lead-in ever. :)
     
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    KeepOnRollin Well-Known Member

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    Will is possibly better...
    Will could be better...
    Will might be better...

    They all suck..... :)
     
  20. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Maybe "may be" may be better than "maybe"...
     

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