<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Michael Bryant @ Oct 12 2006, 06:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>War with North Korea wouldn't be that difficult, we wouldn't even have to put troops on the ground.</div> You guys are making this sound like a cakewalk when it isn't. You don't seem to understand that they have multiple nuclear weapons, if this was as easy as you guys are making it this would have been taken care of a long time ago. Kim Jong Il has said that if he is attacked he will retaliate (against who, we don't know). If we bombed that country it would be a chaotic mess, no electricity (hell there isn't much of it now as it is). People would be starving to death in the streets, it would be an unfathamable situation. People would have to be sent in to simply feed and clothe people and who knows what the North Korean military would do. If we bomb the country and we don't take down the whole goverment what will happen then? It would be a mess and a few of you don't seem to understand that.
And not to mention, countries like China, or Russia who are allied with N. Korea - Yeah, we can take them too, right?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ReppinTheD @ Oct 13 2006, 08:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And not to mention, countries like China, or Russia who are allied with N. Korea - Yeah, we can take them too, right?</div> No kidding, some people here haven't a clue. :no1:
NK has multiple Nuclear weapons? we don't even know if they have developed them yet. A arial strike by the US airforces would likely disable any ability they would have to launch a nuclear weapon. if they did launce one its likely that the Patriot missle defense system would shoot it down.(apparently it shot one of their missles down a few months ago). China has already said they wouldn't back NK if NK tried going to war with the US. Russia wouldn't do anything because of the grain that the US sends them, if Russia lost that grain they would be in a world of hurt.Im not saying its going to be easy, Im just saying its not impossible. I think a lot of people here are remembering the Korean war were they had similar military weapons to that of the US, today its a differnt story. a lot of their weapons are old and outdated. while the US has top notched weapons. hell if the US really wanted to, we could launch missles knocking out their nuclear capibility and kill Kim Jong Il and have little to no collateral damage.
I agree that it would be a complete mess. The UN would be pissed off, too. I'm not sure that I agree with the multiple nuclear weapons thing. We don't even know that they could get one over here, let alone if they have one at all. That wouldn't be a huge concern, and if they don't have those capabilities, I don't see the point in attacking anyway.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Oct 13 2006, 02:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I agree that it would be a complete mess. The UN would be pissed off, too. I'm not sure that I agree with the multiple nuclear weapons thing. We don't even know that they could get one over here, let alone if they have one at all. That wouldn't be a huge concern, and if they don't have those capabilities, I don't see the point in attacking anyway.</div>Basically, it won't work.
China wouldn't turn against the US, both countries are tied together in so much, and if they did, they'd lose. They have the numbers, but they are nowhere near a modern military.
Well the US couldn't and wouldn't fight a war of attrition with China if there ever was a conflict. but the main reason China wouldn't go to war with the US is economics. China depends a lot on the US to buy its products, if the US didn't Chinas economy would take a huge hit, a hit so large it could completly ruin their abilities to eventually become a superpower. The US on the other hand would have to switch to a war time economy if they fought China. which means our economy would also take a huge hit, but we still do have the factories and are still the #1 buyer of sh*t. But in all honesty I don't think China gives a rats flying ass what happens to North korea as long as it doesn't effect China. they are allies because they are both Communist dictator ships. but numerous times in the past Il has condemed the Chinese for their version of Communism, to which China has reported not been very happy about. the main reason China is apprehensive about a US invasion is they don't want another US pawn state surrounding them. they already have South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, and Afghanistan sharing a water or land border with them, all of which are Pawn states to the US.
Yeah, Communism is the only real thing that those two have in common. China wouldn't do too much if the US or any other nation who wanted to stop NK. Without the US, China would fall into the 3rd world, so that eliminates the chances of China trying to step in a protecting NK from the US.Here's an idea, why doesn't the UK take care of North Korea? Jesus, they've got a pretty powerful military and are our allies. Why don't they "cover" this one?
Well getting this back on topic....The violence has been insane during the last month. (Holy month of Ramadan is the explanation as to why). Still, the fact that we cannot control Iraq's borders will keep this mess going. As long as we are there insurgents with bomb us, but I don't know if we can leave considering how fragile the government is. I'm sick of all the money being wasted. I'm sick of this war.
As crazy as it sounds, it is best for both sides (Iraq, and the US) to leave ASAP. All of the voilence has spawned only as a result of the US invasion. Everyone is in agreement that the US should leave. Let us abondan this huge mistake we made, and we can live with this big scar in the middle east thanks to the US. This war is for no cause - it's only purpose is to suck more money out of our people through taxes. Enough. We don't need it, and neither do they.
actually leaving Iraq would do more damage in the long run than staying there. leaving Iraq now would most likely mean that the US and the rest of the world, would have to go back there, and this time not fighting some third rate regime, but a Nuclear Superpower in Iran. because Iran has been waiting years to seek vengence on Iraq for what happened in the 80s, and with Iraq being nothing but a dust hole run by phsycopaths and morons Iran could invade with ease. Staying the current corse in Iraq however wont get it done either, the US needs to change stratigy over there. the US needs to find strong leaders for Iraq, and help return some form of normalcy to the Iraqi people.
It?s a horrible situation. Staying is insane and won?t help. But leaving is just as insane and won?t work either. US forces in Iraq exacerbate the situation. We have too much negative baggage with the Iraqis. An international contingent of troops may be easier to tolerate for the Iraqi people. We need to go the UN, and in front of the world apologize and ask for help. That will never happen with this administration.
no letting the UN in there would just make it worse. the UN is more incompitant than 100 George Bush's. Also, the primary source for troops for the UN is the US, Britain and France. the US and Britain are all ready there, and France won't send troops they've made that clear. so who else would send troops?
we aren't part, we are the problem. but the fact remains no one, other than tyrants and terrorist, will go into Iraq to replace the US. the best corse of action is expediate the process of handing over Iraq to the Iraqi government, than with drawing.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Oct 29 2006, 12:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>we aren't part, we are the problem.</div>We are not THE problem, but our presence isn?t helping. The conflict between the Sunni and the Shia is the main problem.
Hahaha, asking the UN for help. That's like asking your 5 year old daughter to file your taxes.No one can or will help us there.
