Politics The Joe Biden Thread

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  1. yankeesince59

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    Funny as hell to me as to how Biden haters will gleefully hang onto anything negative to discredit him, whether factual or simply perceived.

    For me, I'll take Joe's idiot Son and faux pas as well as his accomplishments over Trump's any day...but again, it's still funny as hell to watch.
     
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    Right. One person sometimes stumbles and has a troubled son. One person has daily fits of incoherent rage and is under indictments in four venues, while his son in law got $2 billion from Saudi Arabia. Yet we are supposed to consider the first guy hopelessly senile while the other boasts of his brilliance.
     
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    Are you saying you wouldn't remember if you were at Ground Zero the day after 9/11? Not buying it.
     
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    Not what I said.

    And if I lost "hundreds of friends" as Trump claimed I would be able to name at least a few.
     
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    Wanna compare Trump's faux pas to Biden's?... he's looking at "mental acuity", to use your term, in the rear view mirror...is it due to his age, or does his idiocy come naturally?


     
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    I don't believe that Biden can't remember that he was at Ground Zero the DAY AFTER 9/11 for a minute. That is, unless he is mentally impaired. That's ridiculous in my opinion.
     
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    Why would I want to compare Biden to Trump? Trump is a crook and a narcissist. His idiocy does come naturally. All I'm saying is that Biden is either a liar or he is mentally impaired. Maybe both.
     
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    He remembers he was there soon after. Does he remember the exact number of days? Probably not. It's very understandable that he wouldn't remember if it was 8 days or 3 days after.

    Saying "the day after" instead of "a few days after" is a very typical stretch of the truth for a politician.

    Biden has stuck his foot in his mouth as long as he's been a politician. This is nothing new.

    And again. I really don't like Biden. I wouldn't say I hate him, but I REALLY don't like him.

    I just think you're reaching here.
     
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    I dont think its a stretch at all. I lived in upstate ny send i can pretty much outline what i was doing hour by hour from 9/11-9/16 when we were turned away mid morning due to an overwhelming response of dump trucks in need. From then on life started going back to normal. But during that time frame its as vivid as yesterday to me.
     
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    People have selective memories. It's not a sign of mental decline, it's a sign of letting go of unnecessary dates and times in your life. We all do that. 23 years ago my Mandarin Chinese was a hell of a lot better than it is today. If you don't use it, you lose it. If I go back to Taiwan, within about 2 weeks it all comes back to me. That's life. I got a high school reunion notice in 2022 and I was shocked at how many kids I grew up with for the first 17 years of my life that I couldn't remember their last names, etc...I'm not a very nostalgic person so I don't cling on to the past much. I've memorized thousands of songs in my life and some I sang for years I have to brush up on or I forget a verse, etc. Comes with age I guess.
     
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    I don't think Biden lived in NY at the time, so I can certainly understand that his perspective on the attack wouldn't be the same as somebody who lived in New York.

    I know my perspective isn't anything like what you're describing.

    I posted a link above showing how unreliable the memory of even very healthy people are.

    You may think you remember everything, but it's highly unlikely that you actually remember that whole timeframe exactly as it happened.
     
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    I remember reading about JFK's legislative and policy successes during his presidency. Something I found fascinating was his administration got more done after his assassination than before. This was attributed to the fact that Kennedy had an all-star cabinet. When Johnson took over he kept pretty much everyone in place.

    Biden has a good administration and staff. Very experienced. A President can't do it all. They shouldn't do it all. They are administrators, not worker bees.

    When comparing it to some of the chuckleheads and idiot Yes-Men/Women that Trump surrounded himself with you can see why Trump got so little done policywise especially when you factor in that he had a Republican House and Senate for a majority of his term.

    Biden is old. There is no arguing that. But his years of high-level political experience and working relationships with politicians from both parties give him an advantage that younger presidents wouldn't have.
     
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    When 9/11 happened, I remember thinking, "shit, I was in the PATH station under WTC just X days ago". Can't remember now what X was. Yet I remember doing the calculation.

    Telling a story and getting a fact wrong is extremely common, especially as you age. It doesn't imply dementia. Getting old is a drag, and sometimes you have unexpected verbal farts. Young people think it's gross, but young people are kind of prissy.

    barfo
     
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    well said...and Biden knows the geopolitical landscape probably better than any other current politician in office.
     
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    ...and Biden is neither...that's really all you had to say.

    It's clear that you don't for Biden, and I get it, but I really think you're trying a bit too hard to make this into some big story. Personally, I don't see it.
     
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    Saw a cartoon depicting Republicans preparing to burn Biden at the stake while saying we'll find something he did.
     
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    Fair enough but doesn't the importance of the moment play a part as to how memories are prioritized, so to speak?

    meaning of course i dont remember what i had for lunch to weeks ago. But something like 911 makes the moment unforgettable?
    Not all memories are the same as far as impact and importance. I wouldn't think twice of Noe cant remember what he said a few weeks back. But most Americans know exactly wheee they were at 9:30 on 9/11. I believe it was a Tuesday.

    Of course great minds don't remember everything. But great minds remember the important things.
    im not trying to knock Joe per say. Just speaking about memories of 911. And yes i do agree my memories sre likely more vovid than those who lived in other parts of the country. I was there. It impacted me directly. So there is that. But man. That's an important event in my lifetime and ill never forget where i was and what i was doing.


    On the side, living in ny at that time showed me how much we, as Americans can unite. Im not talking about the weeks after where there was racial hated building for all muslims and Arabs. But the first hours and day or two of how everyone came together. Driving home seeing every porch lit up with candles.
    So ill concede my memories likely stick more than most others.
    Anyhow, just speaking on that day and the impact it had, to me, makes it a hard thing to forget, compared to daily, forgettable events.
     
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    It's just not reliable. And bigger moments increase stress, which can actually make the memory less reliable.

    This is why eye witness reports can vary so wildly. Different people who are at the same spot, witnessing the same crime often report different things.

    Our memories simply aren't photographic.

    And again, I wouldn't put it past Biden to embellish parts of the story. He has always done that.
     

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