Politics The Joe Biden Thread

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  1. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Do you view what you are doing here as constructive?

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    I see the circle jerk has been disrupted and you are shaken. My apologies.
     
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    Jimmy Carter was building houses in his 90s.
    My dad lived to 95 mentally alert to the final minutes of his life.
    Biden's age is this year's "but her emails". Focus on that and not Trump's incompetence and criminality. My cat is more suited to be president than Trump.
     
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    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    Except Biden has gotten more done in his time in office than Trump did in his.

    So whoever "Mush Brain's" handlers are they are far superior to the Orange Nazi's.
     
  5. SharpeScooterShooter

    SharpeScooterShooter SharpeShooter

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    My hope is one day both sides that continuously comment on speaking flaws of both sides come to the realization that the percent of these flaws is extremely minute compared to the coherency of both and that people start pointing out the positives instead of the negatives.
    My admittedly foolish dream is that everyone pointing to Trump and Bidens’ flaws start focusing on the things they say that is clear and concise. They both do this, yet it’s rarely, if ever, the point of posts.

    Is anyone ever going to focus on the positives and try to sell them for the candidate of their choice instead of focusing on the negatives of the opposition???????
    :banghead2::banghead2::banghead2:
     
  6. Phatguysrule

    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    Don't care at this point. As long as he beats Trump.
     
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    Yeah go easy on some people, yesterday was a tough day for them.
     
  8. UncleCliffy'sDaddy

    UncleCliffy'sDaddy We're all Bozos on this bus.

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    You are a very bright individual and I respect more than a few of the viewpoints you bring to this forum, but what you are pushing is so blatantly false and I struggle with the idea that you actually believe the patently untrue stuff you've been pushing (i.e.; the standard MAGA/Russia Bot narrative). All side by side comparisons show a cognizant and aware president versus a rambling incoherent buffoon of an ex president. All available evidence refutes what you're trying to peddle. My investment accounts are doing better than they ever have. I see infrastructure work going on wherever I travel. I see a president who cares about something other than himself. I'm not sure if you just like to argue and think throwing a turd in the punch bowl is viable debate, but you're the one who needs to get a grip. Apparently a good chunk of America can't handle dealing with an actual functioning president and that's both sad and frightening. Personally, I don't need a loudmouth bully to make me feel better about myself......
     
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    Trump will lose big as he continues to be an idiot.
     
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    Thanks for being the voice of reason UCD. Best post of the thread. The truth is the truth.
     
  11. TBpup

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    I've been down in Mexico for a bit and even the Mexican people don't like what is going on at the border. They feel it gives them a bad name for the legitimate people who are trying to immigrate legally. It's surprising how many prefer Trump to Biden in terms of what they think is good for the US since so many of the people in this area are American or Canadian. They don't really like Trump's persona, but they like what he stands for. There feelings towards Biden seem mostly sad...or they laugh that he is the president. Some of them refer to him as 'abuelo con demencia', which since my Spanish is no muy bueno, I had to look up.

    They are used to a lawless state and think that is coming to the US. One of the people I work out with down here, her nephew just disappeared in the middle of the night 8 years ago. No word, no clues, and the police did nothing.

    It's disappointing that these are the two we have to choose from, but if I look at crime, the border, the drug situation, the foreign situations now versus the previous administration, I'll hold my nose and take Trump.
     
  12. Phatguysrule

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    Arm yourselves with knowledge.

    TLDR: Biden > Trump on jobs, GDP, unemployment statistics, and stock market/401k values.

    Overall job numbers:

    • Biden: +14 million

    • Trump: -2.9 million
    Overall manufacturing jobs:

    • Biden: +815,000

    • Trump: -154,000
    Highest labor force numbers of presidency:

    • Biden: 167,930,000

    • Trump: 164,546,000
    Lowest unemployment rate of presidency:

    • Biden: 3.4%

    • Trump: 3.5%
    Highest unemployment rate of presidency:

    • Biden: 6.2%

    • Trump: 14.7%
    Lowest black unemployment rate of presidency:

    • Biden: 4.7%

    • Trump: 5.3%
    Highest black unemployment rate of presidency:

    • Biden: 9.9%

    • Trump: 16.8%
    Lowest Hispanic unemployment rate of presidency:

    • Biden: 3.9%

    • Trump: 4%
    Highest Hispanic unemployment of presidency:

    • Biden: 8.5%

    • Trump: 18.8%
    Lowest woman unemployment rate of presidency:

    • Biden: 3.3%

    • Trump: 3.4%
    Highest woman unemployment rate of presidency:

    • Biden: 6.1%

    • Trump: 16.2%
    Lowest unemployment rate for those without a high school diploma of presidency:

    • Biden: 4.4%

    • Trump: 4.9%
    Overall GDP increase in dollars:

    • Biden: +$5.6 trillion

    • Trump: +$2.9 trillion
    Highest annual GDP growth rate of presidency:

    • Biden: 5.9%

    • Trump: 2.9%
    Lowest annual GDP growth rate of presidency;

    • Biden: 2.1%

    • Trump: -2.8%
    Highest Dow Jones Industrial Average:

    • Biden: $36,799.65

    • Trump: $31,041.13
    Highest S&P 500:

    • Biden: $4796.56

    • Trump: $3,803.79
    Highest Nasdaq:

    • Biden: $16,057.44

    • Trump: $13,067.48
    EDIT:

    Sources:

    Total job and manufacturing job numbers: https://www.factcheck.org/2023/10/bidens-numbers-october-2023-update/

    https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/ces0000000001?output_view=net_1mth

    https://www.factcheck.org/2021/10/trumps-final-numbers/

    Labor force numbers: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CLF16OV

    Black unemployment rate data: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS14000006

    Hispanic unemployment rate data: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS14000009

    Woman unemployment rate data: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS14000002

    Less than high school diploma employment numbers: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS14027659

    GDP numbers: https://www.statista.com/statistics/188165/annual-gdp-growth-of-the-united-states-since-1990/

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GDP

    Stocks: https://www.google.com/finance/quot...o6FjeeCAxX8m2oFHd6zAAwQ3ecFegQIFxAb&window=5Y

    https://www.google.com/finance/quot...p2ajeeCAxXhomoFHSODAg0Q3ecFegQIFRAb&window=5Y

    https://www.google.com/finance/quot...NWnjeeCAxXSlGoFHUqZCgsQ3ecFegQIFxAb&window=5Y
     
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    Where in Mexico are you?
     
  14. Road Ratt

    Road Ratt King of my own little world

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    I might believe rest of the data. But I will, not now nor ever, believe the data on unemployment. You can't have this high of a homelessless population in America and have unemployment that low. It just can't happen.
     
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    Many homeless are actually employed. But even then, there aren't enough homeless to really impact the employment rates by much.

    And even if so, the homeless problem is about the same under Biden as under Trump, so it would be a big differentiator for this data set.
     
  16. tlongII

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    I may be wrong, but isn't the unemployment rate tied to people who collect unemployment compensation? When they are no longer able to collect unemployment don't they drop out of the count?
     
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    I did find the following from a quick Google search...

    The unemployment rate measures the share of workers in the labor force who do not currently have a job but are actively looking for work. People who have not looked for work in the past four weeks are not included in this measure.
     
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    I doubt that a high percentage of the homeless I see are actively looking for work. Just my opinion.
     
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    I believe so, but I'm not 100% sure either.
     
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    That would be more like the cars you see parked or the campers, etc. And probably not the broken down ones.
     

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