IMO, this post is right on and I do believe it's the way it will unfold. I think Egypt, Saudi and other Arab countries will support this as well. Id rather see GAZA end up as South Korea versus North Korea.
The genocide must stop. Preferably without sparking a world war or losing our foot hold in the middle east causing even more pain and suffering... And likely more genocide.
And if we pulled all support from Israel you'd very likely see an even larger genocide likely preceded by a nuclear exchange (and that likely wouldn't even stop the current genocide, since Israel could continue likely until completely eradicating all Palestinians in Gaza even without US support). We have to convince Israel to stop. We can't force them to stop (short of just moving into Gaza with large US forces and remaining as human shields). It's just more complicated than that. That's why I propose that we engage in nation building and encourage Israel to help. And I have absolutely no loyalty to Israel for political or religious reasons. I am 100% opposed to their current actions against Palestinians. That's just the way I see the geopolitical risks.
Nonsense. Pull weapons sales/support to Israel and see how quick they find a resolution with their neighbors ala Egypt. America backs 73% of current dictatorships and they have a long history of overthrowing democracy around the world. They have no legitimate place to lecture the world on moral supremacy when their own people are suffering and having to live on the streets.
I'm not advocating for support of any dictators. I'm advocating for what I think would be the best move for the US, Palestinians, and Israel. Not to mention the world. We can't control or change What mistakes we've made in the past. All we can do is start making the right decisions for the right reasons now. And I'll continue advocating for us to do exactly that.
I think that is a fantasy. Israel surely appreciates all the money and weapons we send them, but they wouldn't collapse if we stopped. They'd simply have to spend more of their own money on weapons. And they absolutely would do exactly that. It would make us less complicit (still plenty complicit, since we've funded them all these years up till now) and we might feel better about that, but it wouldn't make Israel back off. It might in fact make things worse, by making Israel feel more isolated. We should do the experiment, though, because we shouldn't become any more complicit than we already are. I just don't think it will work to restrain Israel. barfo
yep, The surrounding Arab states in that effort. Several already acknowledge Israel's right to exist and see opportunity for future economic growth and balance against Iran. The Iranian people want out from under the bondage of the religious mullahs ruling their country. Iran used to be a very prosperous and peaceful country util the fanatics took over.
I'm glad you think it's fantasy, but it doesn't seem to fantasy to former Israeli General, Itzhak Brik. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/03/joe-biden-israel-gaza-war-netanyahu-rafah-palestinians/ The excuses are all so boring and tired as to why Joe Biden is so ineffective, and the polling reflects that.
This you? We can't change that, but we can look at history and use better sense and caution to think you're in any position to pompously "educate Palestinians on democracy." What the hell does that even mean? We don't even have democracy in the Democratic party.
Because Gaza is basically the same right now as Iran was before the US coup, right? Lol. Get real. We're a hell of a lot closer to a peaceful (within our borders) representative democracy than Gaza. And we could help immensely. What it means is that they voted for Hamas and let Hamas become more powerful than the population. So the population couldn't get rid of them when they wanted to. Now Hamas has brought a world of hurt down upon the people. The people are generally very young and uneducated. With safe schools and hospitals their lives would improve tremendously as would their ability to prevent the next Hamas taking over their country.
That's because there isn't a nuclear power giving all their power and might to our enemy. You know how you help? Get Israel's boot off their necks and stop excusing barbaric crimes committed by Israel - that includes the kidnappings, the rapes, poisoning of water, blockade of food ingredients, and much more. Allow them their sovereignty to have their own airport and military. If you start there, Palestine will thrive.
I haven't excused any of that. And no, that wouldn't be enough. Otherwise they would have gotten rid of Hamas before Hamas pissed off Israel. Been there, tried that. They need more help than that.
It means I'm proposing we educate the people who choose to come to the schools (which I've proposed we provide and defend) in a manner which will help them to establish and maintain a strong and lasting democracy.
What? I don't know if you know this, but all the horrible things I listed was happening long before Oct. 7th and the corrupt Palestinian authority wasn't doing anything about it -- that's why they elected Hamas, to do something about it. Conversely, if Americans weren't struggling so much, they would have never turned to Donald Trump. Hamas is merely a symptom of the problem, not the problem itself.
Difficult to do when we're arming the ones bombing their universities, no? Their education is fine. They need freedom and opportunity to prosper. It starts with ending the occupation.
They wouldn't be bombing universities that were staffed and guarded by Americans. Which is what I'm proposing.
