<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Dre:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe brought everybit of this on himself and has no one to blame but himself. He placed himself in this mess by doing something he shouldn't have been doing in the first place.</div> Ok so let's say that Kobe had spent time in her room doing nothing but signing autographs. Lets say that after that she accused him of rape when they really didn't even have sex. Did he still bring it on himself but putting himself in the room with her and no other witnesses? No he shouldn't have had sex with her, but you cant honestly say that he is to blame for this girl's (possible) dishonesty. People lie. How many athletes have gotten caught up in incidents simply because they are athletes? Does that mean that they shouldn't go to bars or clubs simply because someone might lie and say that they assaulted them? I see your point, but you are being a tad harsh, and this is coming from a Laker-hater.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Dre:</div><div class="quote_post">The only thing we know is that the prosecution was so inadequate that they bungled the case to the point of no return. So much so that the alleged victim lost faith in them.</div> Do you have some sort of inside information that the general public does not? Last time I checked the (stated) reason for the dropping of criminal charges was that the victim was under too much stress. Even so, why are you claiming that the prosecution "bungled" the case? Did you ever stop to think that maybe the defense (which is receiving more motivation, $$) just did a really good job of avoiding the trial by having good defense and embarassing the victim (sexual history, and past suicide attemps)?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jurrasic:</div><div class="quote_post">Ok so let's say that Kobe had spent time in her room doing nothing but signing autographs. Lets say that after that she accused him of rape when they really didn't even have sex. Did he still bring it on himself but putting himself in the room with her and no other witnesses? No he shouldn't have had sex with her, but you cant honestly say that he is to blame for this girl's (possible) dishonesty. People lie. How many athletes have gotten caught up in incidents simply because they are athletes? Does that mean that they shouldn't go to bars or clubs simply because someone might lie and say that they assaulted them? I see your point, but you are being a tad harsh, and this is coming from a Laker-hater.</div> Well if they had just been 'signing autographs' we wouldn't be having this conversation. #1 there wouldn't have been genetic evidence on the girl from Kobe. There may have been something like physical bruises from an encounter with someone else but without semen linking her to him it would be for naught. But anyway,it is his fault. He's married for one and he's rich. He should be smart enough to realize if he goes around screwing strangers he has the potential to find one who would use their encounter as a source to get money (that is assuming he didn't do it). We've seen it a million times over,what people will do to others for money. It is Kobe's fault. He knew better than to behave like he did (I know probabaly 90% of the NBA does the same thing) because I'm positive he knew what some of the possible consequences could be and could have avoided it all together by acting properly. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jurassic:</div><div class="quote_post">Do you have some sort of inside information that the general public does not? Last time I checked the (stated) reason for the dropping of criminal charges was that the victim was under too much stress. Even so, why are you claiming that the prosecution "bungled" the case? Did you ever stop to think that maybe the defense (which is receiving more motivation, $$) just did a really good job of avoiding the trial by having good defense and embarassing the victim (sexual history, and past suicide attemps)?</div> Ok so I guess it was some other group of lawyers who accidentally let her identity slip that ultimately led to her not wanting to continue? They let her name slip which ended up generating a ton of media and every other kind of pressure directly on her and her family. That ultimately led the girl to believe she didn't want to pursue it anymore because of everything it brought down on her and her family. So yes,the prosecution dropped the ball big time and bungled the case byond repair.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Dre:</div><div class="quote_post">It strikes me as peculiar how alot of people make Kobe out to be some kind of victim. Poor Kobe this,poor Kobe that. I don't feel sorry for him one bit.</div> Why is it peculiar that people see KB as a victim people? Pick sides and many people have picked his. From what we?ve heard and read all this accusations seem false and many legal attorneys saw this case as a loser since the beginning even the preliminary judge said it from the beginning. Isn't KB some kind of victim after all? He waited 14 months so he could get his day in court to have it all end by typing a simple meaning less apology. He is the victim because he won?t ever clear his name in court, if you don?t count civil trial, all because she decided that it was better not to testify in civil then in criminal. I guess she thinks that a better way to punish him is by taking a couple of millions away from him and maybe seeing him rot in jail. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Secondly,he is married EVERYONE should condemn him from here to doomsday about what he did (cheat on his wife) and the message he is sending to his fans by his actions.</div> Are you God or something is my believe that the only person that has the right to condemn someone for what he/she has done is God. Why should we condemn him he hasn?t done harm to us, except for risking the possibility of ruining the 04/05 Laker season. So the blame for the rise of future husbands and boyfriends who cheat on their girl?s is going to be put in Kobe?s hands. If I remember didn?t our ex-president also cheat shouldn?t KB blame him for the message he send to him. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe brought everybit of this on himself and has no one to blame but himself. He placed himself in this mess by doing something he shouldn't have been doing in the first place.</div> Agree with you 100% but isn?t she also at fault, if she did agree to sex. According to her testimony they both agreed on kissing shouldn?t she have stopped that knowing that KB was a married? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Should he have apologized? If it kept him out of jail it was a smart move..however none of you should say he didn't do it because that hasn't been proven or disproven..</div> Like Real said earlier everyone one is innocent until proven guilty. Since KB didn?t have his day in court and wasn?t proven guilty he is still innocent.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jesseca328:</div><div class="quote_post">Isn't KB some kind of victim after all? He waited 14 months so he could get his day in court to have it all end by typing a simple meaning less apology. He is the victim because he won?t ever clear his name in court, if you don?t count civil trial, all because she decided that it was better not to testify in civil then in criminal. I guess she thinks that a better way to punish him is by taking a couple of millions away from him and maybe seeing him rot in jail.</div> Kobe should never be considered a victim in this case because for one Kobe could've found a better way out of this mess. If Kobe just would've gone to Eagle, Colorado and received his shoulder treatment, slept in at the Vale resort, and walked out of trouble, nothing would even happen to him and he could've gone on with his daily life. But he pretty asked for it by calling the girl up to his room, even as a married man with a little girl, and had consensual sex with a stranger that he never even knew. Believe me, I'm a huge Kobe fan at heart, but to label Kobe as the victim just isn't right at this part. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jesseca328:</div><div class="quote_post">So the blame for the rise of future husbands and boyfriends who cheat on their girl?s is going to be put in Kobe?s hands. If I remember didn?t our ex-president also cheat shouldn?t KB blame him for the message he send to him.</div> There should never be a rise of future husbands and boyfriends who cheat on their wives or girlfriends unless us men know our priorities, boundaries, and restrictions. Kobe obviously didn't know that, and was looking for a cheap fling rather than doing his business with his wife at home. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jesseca328:</div><div class="quote_post">Agree with you 100% but isn?t she also at fault, if she did agree to sex. According to her testimony they both agreed on kissing shouldn?t she have stopped that knowing that KB was a married?</div> Good point, but Kobe knowing that he makes millions upon millions of dollars understood he had more to lose rather than the woman. With themselves having consensual sex with a white woman in a predominantly white town, he could've lost his credibility, his woman and child, all his money, the fame and fortune, and most importantly his job on the basketball as the guard of the Lakers.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Dre:</div><div class="quote_post">Well if they had just been 'signing autographs' we wouldn't be having this conversation. #1 there wouldn't have been genetic evidence on the girl from Kobe. There may have been something like physical bruises from an encounter with someone else but without semen linking her to him it would be for naught. But anyway,it is his fault. He's married for one and he's rich. He should be smart enough to realize if he goes around screwing strangers he has the potential to find one who would use their encounter as a source to get money (that is assuming he didn't do it). We've seen it a million times over,what people will do to others for money. It is Kobe's fault. He knew better than to behave like he did (I know probabaly 90% of the NBA does the same thing) because I'm positive he knew what some of the possible consequences could be and could have avoided it all together by acting properly.</div> Dawg, are you aware that Tyson went to jail for a rape that he didn't commit? There was no genetic evidence in that case. My point being that even if Kobe had just been hanging out and signing stuff, she still could have plead rape, and he could have been found guilty like Mike Tyson. Plenty of people have been found guilty of rape without genetic evidence being a factor. I think that this is one of those issues where we will have to agree to disagree. But answer this for me, if the girl (down the road, months, years, whatever) admits that she was lying would you still see it as Kobe's fault? You cant honestly blame him for the dishonesty of the world, even if he did make a mistake. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Ok so I guess it was some other group of lawyers who accidentally let her identity slip that ultimately led to her not wanting to continue? They let her name slip which ended up generating a ton of media and every other kind of pressure directly on her and her family. That ultimately led the girl to believe she didn't want to pursue it anymore because of everything it brought down on her and her family. So yes,the prosecution dropped the ball big time and bungled the case byond repair.</div> You didnt read a word I said . Fine, lets assume that the prosecution is to blame for the releasing of her name (even though really, plenty of other media are to blame as well). Even if her name hadnt been released, the defense still would have exposed her sexual history, medical records, and suicide attempts. Some of these things might not have been apparent to close friends and family, embarrassing her into wanting to stop before they found out.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jurassic:</div><div class="quote_post">Dawg, are you aware that Tyson went to jail for a rape that he didn't commit? There was no genetic evidence in that case. My point being that even if Kobe had just been hanging out and signing stuff, she still could have plead rape, and he could have been found guilty like Mike Tyson. Plenty of people have been found guilty of rape without genetic evidence being a factor.</div> well to expand on what you said,Tyson had a ready made reputation for something like that. Kobe on the otherhand does not. Tyson's behavior hung him in that instance,especially things he had said before regarding nonconsensual sex with women and other things he had done,Kobe on the other hand has the image of the All American kid down the block. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jurassic:</div><div class="quote_post">I think that this is one of those issues where we will have to agree to disagree. But answer this for me, if the girl (down the road, months, years, whatever) admits that she was lying would you still see it as Kobe's fault? You cant honestly blame him for the dishonesty of the world, even if he did make a mistake.</div> Well,in my eyes,Kobe is guilty of putting himself in that position no matter what happens. And no,having sex out of marriage isn't a mistake. It's a conscious decision he made even though he knew it was wrong. There is a difference. But if in fact she ever came out and said she lied I would place equal blame..blame on Kobe for being there and doing it in the first place and the chick for lying and escelating it into something it wasn't.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jurassic:</div><div class="quote_post">Do you have some sort of inside information that the general public does not? Last time I checked the (stated) reason for the dropping of criminal charges was that the victim was under too much stress. Even so, why are you claiming that the prosecution "bungled" the case? </div> I will have to agree with Dre on that. The prosecution did bungle the case. FK was a stepping-stone to bigger and better things for the DA and she was the stepping-stone to dismiss the case. They thought that none of her sex history would come in because they were hiding behind the Rape Shield Law. They new that they had a loser of a case since the beginning. If the DA and Co. had done their job properly and examined all evidence since the beginning, which they didn?t they charged KB before even testing her panties, the thought of this going to trial would have been lower. Like I said the preliminary judge new that the case against KB wasn?t strong and many people (attorneys) that have read and been in the open court hearings new that the case was a loser. (If anyone wants the transcript of what the judge said just ask) <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jurassic:</div><div class="quote_post">Did you ever stop to think that maybe the defense (which is receiving more motivation, $$) just did a really good job of avoiding the trial by having good defense and embarassing the victim (sexual history, and past suicide attempts?)</div> The defense did a great job don?t blame it on the money Pam Mackey doesn?t just defend rich people she does Pro-Bono too you know. Saying that Team Kobe embarrassed KF is not fair, a defense team is suppose to move every stone to prove that their client is innocent and last time I checked her sexual history is relevant and fair to come in at trial because it could explain how she got vaginal lacerations. Oh yeah also how did they embarrassed her I didn?t see Team Kobe go on TV and say all this stuff, unlike her team.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Ok so I guess it was some other group of lawyers who accidentally let her identity slip that ultimately led to her not wanting to continue? They let her name slip which ended up generating a ton of media and every other kind of pressure directly on her and her family. </div> The DA didn?t accidentally slip her name Pam Mackey said it in open court, the court mistakenly released some documents with her name, and since we are living in the Internet age you can find anything about any person on-line. Her name and picture was in her schools yearbook site. She lives in a small town were if one person heard about the incident the next person will tell the next and it will untimely end in the media. Her friends and ex-boyfriends are the ones that when on TV to talk about her I think that everyone in Eagle was able to trace those people to her. The media did their own research they don?t need someone to tell who the victim is they found out themselves. The media didn?t put pressure on her they have protected her I don?t see her name being said on TV now that the charges have been dropped so the media is not to blame here.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jesseca328:</div><div class="quote_post">The DA didn?t accidentally slip her name Pam Mackey said it in open court, the court mistakenly released some documents with her name, and since we are living in the Internet age you can find anything about any person on-line. Her name and picture was in her schools yearbook site. She lives in a small town were if one person heard about the incident the next person will tell the next and it will untimely end in the media. Her friends and ex-boyfriends are the ones that when on TV to talk about her I think that everyone in Eagle was able to trace those people to her. The media did their own research they don?t need someone to tell who the victim is they found out themselves. The media didn?t put pressure on her they have protected her I don?t see her name being said on TV now that the charges have been dropped so the media is not to blame here.</div> well I stand corrected.
http://www.gerryspence.com/sharedkobebryant.html The link above is for a very good article that is not pro or against either side. It was written a while ago. Garry Spence foreshadow this whole case. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Bryant has not yet been tried. The complaining witness has yet to take an oath and testify. But Bryant, guilty or innocent, has already been destroyed. If he is acquitted many will believe it the work of fancy lawyers who outwitted the system or that an outgunned prosecution failed to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt. </div> <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I like it that the identity of the alleged victim cannot be released to the media. I like it because the media is the ultimate fiend, motivated as it is by neither truth or justice but by the vicissitudes of business alone. The very accusation in the Bryant case has stirred that monster into a feeding frenzy, the rich and well loved hero laid out on the sacrificial alter(not for the benefit of justice but for the insatiable needs of the media that feeds an insatiable American audience with its pedestrian, prurient tastes. </div> <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If we are to be consistent and, indeed, fair, the law should provide that the identity of both the accused and the accuser be kept confidential until the trial, and that, as in England, the media be barred until after the case has been tried and the verdict rendered. </div> <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">But today's protection afforded women tends to destroy the right of innocent men to protect themselves.</div>
http://www.intellectualconservative.com/article3766.html Another great article all should read it. :thumbsup:
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Dre:</div><div class="quote_post">It strikes me as peculiar how alot of people make Kobe out to be some kind of victim. Poor Kobe this,poor Kobe that. I don't feel sorry for him one bit. Kobe is a megarich athlete who is married,and as a megarich athlete he should know that if he behaves like that he could be in for something much like what happened to him. Secondly,he is married EVERYONE should condemn him from here to doomsday about what he did (cheat on his wife) and the message he is sending to his fans by his actions. Kobe brought everybit of this on himself and has no one to blame but himself. He placed himself in this mess by doing something he shouldn't have been doing in the first place. Should he have apologized? If it kept him out of jail it was a smart move..however none of you should say he didn't do it because that hasn't been proven or disproven. The only thing we know is that the prosecution was so inadequate that they bungled the case to the point of no return. So much so that the alleged victim lost faith in them.</div> IT doesnt matter if he is megarich or megapoor. Condemn him for what he did to his wife? Have you never made a mistake? There are millions of cases of divorce involving adultery. Its the fact of life. Just the fact that he is megarich, doesnt mean we have to condemn the guy till doomsday. whoa! Yes, I do agree that cheating is wrong. Especially cheating on someone as fine as his wife, but why "condemn" the guy. <font color="Red"><strike>Shit</strike></font> happens man. It has happened to me. I've cheated. I've been cheated on. I've learned from it. I dont agree with what he did, but I will not condemn him for a fault anyone of us could have made as well. In the heat of the moment, nothing is guaranteed. Thats being real. Now if he does it again, and we find him in court a second time, I might have my reservations about whats going on. Now should he have apoligized? It was classy that he did. IMO. I dont think he had to, but both parties have gone thru ish, so I think the apology was a good act on Kobe's behalf. Was it sincere or not? We will never know. only Kobe knows that. At least he did it. He also admitted to adultery with his wife present, so at least he is man enough to do it. Whatever the conseqences may have been. If I was his wife, I would have left him. But thats me. <font color="Red">Swearing will not be tolerated here. Thanks. --Emo</font>
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">"He did talk about having his hand on the back of her neck and the other hand on her waist and bending her over a chair," Easter said. "He said, 'That's just my thing. That's what I do."'</div><div align="center">Link</div> In the article I linked prosecutors discuss having a strong case against Kobe. I know this is off-topic but I didn't feel like it was worth ANOTHER Kobe-Trial thread.
If the case was so strong why did they need Kate to testify. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheNextJordan8:</div><div class="quote_post">any info on who said this cmon it had to leak from somewhere??</div> The info came from the prosecution, Dana Easter, they've (the Prosecution Team) been going around the world giving this interviews, bashing KB, and how strong their case was but for some reason they dicided not to go to trial. Here is Pam Mackey's response. I would take her word over the prosecution any time, she has a very good resume to back her up. The way the prosecution acted during the hearings they are the one's the looked like a defense team. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Bryant's attorney, Pamela Mackey, vehemently disputed the depiction. "It's libelous, slanderous and untrue," she said. "She is cooking up this stuff, and you are the agent of her lies and misstatements. ... She's out for Kobe's blood. She wants to ruin him, and she wants to use you ... to do that." </div> <font color="red">Doulbe Posting is not allowed. Please refer to our guidelines for any questions you may have. ~Dre</font>
I found another good article. All should read it. http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3002620 <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">But a man's legacy as a human being is more important than his legacy as a basketball player. Don't settle, Kobe ? no matter what it costs you or the Lakers. An out-of-court settlement, coupled with your apology note, will create the impression that you committed a crime and got away with it because you're rich. Go for the "and-one." Clear your name in civil court, too. Don't compromise your reputation just because your accuser compromised hers. That's not an even trade. See, there's an important difference between the damaged reputation of the accuser and the damaged reputation of the accused when a celebrity is charged with rape. The difference is illustrated by the name above the No. 8 on a Lakers jersey. It ain't Doe.</div>
Kobe will make his first TV appearance today Wednesday Sept 15 at 9PM pacific on ABC as a presenter for the World Music Awards. I can't wait to see him. http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/.../517501543.html <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Tennis stars Serena and Venus Williams and NBA star Kobe Bryant have been added to the list of presenters at the World Music Awards on Wednesday at the Thomas & Mack Center.</div>
KB looked great at the awards. KB and Vanessa both looked hot. He introduced Usher and gave Kanye an award. Hope you guys didn't miss it. KB got a standing OVATION, the audience was chanting KOBE KOBE KOBE KOBE!!! He was sitting behind Usher so he got a lot of camera time. Got some love from Kanye and Usher. I;m so happy for KB I'm so excited :mrgreen: Here are some pictures. Enjoy!! http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...pg&e=1&ncid=707 http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...pg&e=2&ncid=707
