<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Mar 24 2008, 09:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'd say Kidd, Carter and RJ would make Boylan look about like Wallace, Hinrich, Gordon, Deng and Nocioni have made hm look. I LOL at comparing Chris Paul to anyone in this group.</div> Those guys made Skiles look like coach of a 49 win team
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (footswalker @ Mar 24 2008, 11:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If they get swept by the Knicks tonight, I think that's reason enough to fire Frank right there. You can' get swept by that joke of a franchise. Plus, they're in tank mode. As mentioned, Frank's rotations are terrible. He's had about month since Harris and the other guys got here to figure things out, and there's no rhyme or reason to any subs he brings in. Sometimes it's Hassel, sometimes it's Stro, or Diop, sometimes it's Sean Williams. Guys play better when they know their roles. And he doesn't prepare his team for defensive switches. At this point there should be a set 9-man rotation. Sorry, but Hassel should never see the court. He's not even a defensive stopper anymore, so don't tell me he is. He's basically Jason Collins on offense, worthless, and he hurts the team, because no one has to pay attention to him. I'd argue that Marcus Williams is getting too much time alongside Harris. Also, Kristic should not be starting. He's just not ready, he'll have an okay game here or there, but he's gets abused on the boards and down on the blocks. The team's biggest weakness is they are 1 or 2 outside shooters short. They don't have that deep threat you can count on, to avoid the long dry spells. Last year they had two guys, Boki and House, this year not even Boki can be counted on.</div> LOL... Krstic isn't ready and shouldn't start, Hassell shouldn't see the court, Marcus is seeing too much time, and Boki can't be counted on. And Lawrence needs to be fired for not winning with this group??? We would win with Sean in the starting line up and a bench of Ager, Diop, Swift, and Nenad? I'm at the stage where I'm not against changing coaches if the right candidate came around, but the guys been dealt a shit hand from day 1. This season has just been fucked.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Mar 24 2008, 11:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (footswalker @ Mar 24 2008, 11:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If they get swept by the Knicks tonight, I think that's reason enough to fire Frank right there. You can' get swept by that joke of a franchise. Plus, they're in tank mode. As mentioned, Frank's rotations are terrible. He's had about month since Harris and the other guys got here to figure things out, and there's no rhyme or reason to any subs he brings in. Sometimes it's Hassel, sometimes it's Stro, or Diop, sometimes it's Sean Williams. Guys play better when they know their roles. And he doesn't prepare his team for defensive switches. At this point there should be a set 9-man rotation. Sorry, but Hassel should never see the court. He's not even a defensive stopper anymore, so don't tell me he is. He's basically Jason Collins on offense, worthless, and he hurts the team, because no one has to pay attention to him. I'd argue that Marcus Williams is getting too much time alongside Harris. Also, Kristic should not be starting. He's just not ready, he'll have an okay game here or there, but he's gets abused on the boards and down on the blocks. The team's biggest weakness is they are 1 or 2 outside shooters short. They don't have that deep threat you can count on, to avoid the long dry spells. Last year they had two guys, Boki and House, this year not even Boki can be counted on.</div> LOL... Krstic isn't ready and shouldn't start, Hassell shouldn't see the court, Marcus is seeing too much time, and Boki can't be counted on. And Lawrence needs to be fired for not winning with this group??? We would win with Sean in the starting line up and a bench of Ager, Diop, Swift, and Nenad? I'm at the stage where I'm not against changing coaches if the right candidate came around, but the guys been dealt a shit hand from day 1. This season has just been fucked. </div> He should be fired, because he doesn't get the best out his players, doesn't command respect, doesn't inspire, rarely has his team fired up from the tip, waited wayy too long to make the Boone-Williams switch, makes crap in-game adjustments and jumps around like a silly child on the sideline. That's why he needs to go. This team has holes, but they should be about 6-7 games better in their record. He's done a piss poor job, even he would admit he's not done a good job.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (footswalker @ Mar 24 2008, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Mar 24 2008, 11:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (footswalker @ Mar 24 2008, 11:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If they get swept by the Knicks tonight, I think that's reason enough to fire Frank right there. You can' get swept by that joke of a franchise. Plus, they're in tank mode. As mentioned, Frank's rotations are terrible. He's had about month since Harris and the other guys got here to figure things out, and there's no rhyme or reason to any subs he brings in. Sometimes it's Hassel, sometimes it's Stro, or Diop, sometimes it's Sean Williams. Guys play better when they know their roles. And he doesn't prepare his team for defensive switches. At this point there should be a set 9-man rotation. Sorry, but Hassel should never see the court. He's not even a defensive stopper anymore, so don't tell me he is. He's basically Jason Collins on offense, worthless, and he hurts the team, because no one has to pay attention to him. I'd argue that Marcus Williams is getting too much time alongside Harris. Also, Kristic should not be starting. He's just not ready, he'll have an okay game here or there, but he's gets abused on the boards and down on the blocks. The team's biggest weakness is they are 1 or 2 outside shooters short. They don't have that deep threat you can count on, to avoid the long dry spells. Last year they had two guys, Boki and House, this year not even Boki can be counted on.</div> LOL... Krstic isn't ready and shouldn't start, Hassell shouldn't see the court, Marcus is seeing too much time, and Boki can't be counted on. And Lawrence needs to be fired for not winning with this group??? We would win with Sean in the starting line up and a bench of Ager, Diop, Swift, and Nenad? I'm at the stage where I'm not against changing coaches if the right candidate came around, but the guys been dealt a shit hand from day 1. This season has just been fucked. </div> He should be fired, because he doesn't get the best out his players, doesn't command respect, doesn't inspire, rarely has his team fired up from the tip, waited wayy too long to make the Boone-Williams switch, makes crap in-game adjustments and jumps around like a silly child on the sideline. That's why he needs to go. This team has holes, but they should be about 6-7 games better in their record. He's done a piss poor job, even he would admit he's not done a good job. </div> Never heard one player said he doesn't respect Frank (past or present). Nor have I heard anyone say he is draggin them down and not inspiring them. Not one complains about him jumping up and down on the sideline or calling him a micro manager. I've heard such things about Avery Johnson, but never Frank. He may need to go because I'm not sure he knows how to build a team identity from scratch, but your reasons appear to be more about how you personally feel about him and have no basis in anything we've ever heard from the people close to the team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Mar 24 2008, 11:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Mar 24 2008, 09:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'd say Kidd, Carter and RJ would make Boylan look about like Wallace, Hinrich, Gordon, Deng and Nocioni have made hm look. I LOL at comparing Chris Paul to anyone in this group.</div> Those guys made Skiles look like coach of a 49 win team </div> So I'm wrong. 49 win coaches like Frank and Skiles would do a lot better with these players than Jim Boylan. Still not LOL, though.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Mar 24 2008, 09:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lukewarmplay @ Mar 24 2008, 01:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Mar 23 2008, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>and really what excuse does frank have? we have the better roster then the sixers and we still lose to them? he cant win with kidd, without him, this team will be stuck in mediocrity for years, from finalists to lottery bound for the next 3 years, thanks rod thorn</div> What makes you think we have a better roster than the sixers? They have a better record with a team that's been playing together all year and didn't just trade away its best player. </div> Player for player: Devin > Miller VC < Iggy RJ > THaddus Krstic > Evans Boone = Sammy We added Devin but he's played great right off the bat. THe other 4 are used to playing with one another. The Nets have the better roster yet dont live up to expectations </div> You're basically making the claim that with a different coach, this team's record should be better than the sixers- and since you're basing that claim on the current lineup and we just downgraded at point guard and are playing a not-there-yet Krstic, the record should be substantially better. Something like 40 wins, on pace for 50. I really don't see any coach having that big of an effect.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Mar 24 2008, 01:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (footswalker @ Mar 24 2008, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Mar 24 2008, 11:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (footswalker @ Mar 24 2008, 11:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If they get swept by the Knicks tonight, I think that's reason enough to fire Frank right there. You can' get swept by that joke of a franchise. Plus, they're in tank mode. As mentioned, Frank's rotations are terrible. He's had about month since Harris and the other guys got here to figure things out, and there's no rhyme or reason to any subs he brings in. Sometimes it's Hassel, sometimes it's Stro, or Diop, sometimes it's Sean Williams. Guys play better when they know their roles. And he doesn't prepare his team for defensive switches. At this point there should be a set 9-man rotation. Sorry, but Hassel should never see the court. He's not even a defensive stopper anymore, so don't tell me he is. He's basically Jason Collins on offense, worthless, and he hurts the team, because no one has to pay attention to him. I'd argue that Marcus Williams is getting too much time alongside Harris. Also, Kristic should not be starting. He's just not ready, he'll have an okay game here or there, but he's gets abused on the boards and down on the blocks. The team's biggest weakness is they are 1 or 2 outside shooters short. They don't have that deep threat you can count on, to avoid the long dry spells. Last year they had two guys, Boki and House, this year not even Boki can be counted on.</div> LOL... Krstic isn't ready and shouldn't start, Hassell shouldn't see the court, Marcus is seeing too much time, and Boki can't be counted on. And Lawrence needs to be fired for not winning with this group??? We would win with Sean in the starting line up and a bench of Ager, Diop, Swift, and Nenad? I'm at the stage where I'm not against changing coaches if the right candidate came around, but the guys been dealt a shit hand from day 1. This season has just been fucked. </div> He should be fired, because he doesn't get the best out his players, doesn't command respect, doesn't inspire, rarely has his team fired up from the tip, waited wayy too long to make the Boone-Williams switch, makes crap in-game adjustments and jumps around like a silly child on the sideline. That's why he needs to go. This team has holes, but they should be about 6-7 games better in their record. He's done a piss poor job, even he would admit he's not done a good job. </div> Never heard one player said he doesn't respect Frank (past or present). Nor have I heard anyone say he is draggin them down and not inspiring them. Not one complains about him jumping up and down on the sideline or calling him a micro manager. I've heard such things about Avery Johnson, but never Frank. He may need to go because I'm not sure he knows how to build a team identity from scratch, but your reasons appear to be more about how you personally feel about him and have no basis in anything we've ever heard from the people close to the team. </div> Here's one such incident where the team appeared to openly mock him (scroll down to the Spurs-Nets game: http://nbadrew.blogspot.com/2008/03/san-an...purs-23_18.html This guy doesn't seem to have any reason to lie about it. I also witnessed similar incidents at the Nets-Clips game this year. Guys just tune him out, or walk away from one of his huddles shaking their heads. Obviously, no one's going to openly say they don't respect him. What reason do they have to respect him? What's he ever done? What's he ever won?
From Chris Broussard's Blog on ESPN http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?...broussard_chris Lawrence Frank -- The Nets have struggled to find an identity under Frank, and the players have lost faith in him. For a club this talented (Vince, RJ, J-Kidd/Devin Harris ,etc …) to be struggling to make the playoffs in the atrocious East is a travesty. Word is he's in trouble if Nets don't secure at least the eighth seed. He should be in trouble regardless Kiki is already in Rod's ear Frank is toast last 3 years same thing we struggle most of the season and then we make a run at the end of the year to barely make it, as much as management likes Frank, you can't keep trading players away because they don't respond to the coach, this team needs a new voice
