The leagues 75th anniversary in 2 years

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  1. julius

    julius Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    At the 1997 NBA all star game, they had the top 50 players.

    When the 2022 All Star Game happens, it will have been 25 years, should they add 25 to it?

    And if so, who?

    I'm including players who are currently player (even ones I dislike). This isn't my "FIGHT ME!" list, it's just 25 players Im thinking of off the top of my head. I'm not counting those who should've been added (like Dominique and Bob MacAdoo). Also, not in any order

    1. Kobe
    2. LeBron
    3. Duncan
    4. Dirk
    5. Harden
    6. Westbrook
    7. Durant
    8. Curry
    9. Giannis
    10. Wade
    11. Garnett
    12. Iverson
    13. Kawhi Leonard
    14. Damian Lillard
    15. Paul Pierce
    16. Jason Kidd
    17. Ray Allen
    18. Reggie Miller
    19. Pau Gasol
    20. Tracey McGrady
    21. Vince Carter
    22. Carmelo Anthony
    23. Chris Webber
    24. Steve Nash
    25. Kyrie Irving
    I'm sure I've forgotten someone, but your mileage may vary.
     
  2. julius

    julius Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Probably could make an argument to include Klay Thompson too, maybe over Ray Allen?
     
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    Klay overrated. He's a glorified CJ. CJ would be Klay on that Warrior team.
     
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    julius Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I can buy that argument, that's probably why I didn't include him initially.
     
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    Minstrel Top Of The Pops Global Moderator

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    If CJ were a good defensive player who could guard 1-3, sure. That's kind of the reason CJ isn't Portland's Klay Thompson and fits so poorly with Lillard.
     
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    Minstrel Top Of The Pops Global Moderator

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    Not a bad list. I'd definitely include Chris Paul, at the expense of Kyrie Irving.
     
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    julius Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I knew I would forget someone that is obvious, and he was one of the ones that is obvious. Good catch.
     
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    good list, I'll add these as honorable mentions because I'm not sure they would actually bump anyone from your list.
    Yao Ming
    Chris Paul (minstrel mentioned him)
    Vince Carter
    Anthony Davis(eh... I'm not feeling that one)
    Tony Parker
    Rasheed Wallace
    Shaquille O'Neal (was he on the original one?)
     
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    Shaq was on the 50 greatest, yeah. And julius already listed Carter.

    Anthony Davis hasn't done enough yet, though I'd rather have him as a talent than, say, Allen Iverson.

    I'd add Rajon Rondo, Manu Ginobili and Baron Davis to the honorable mentions.
     
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    julius Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Shaq was. And my list included Carter.
     
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    Yes, you did, my bad. I couldn't remember with Shaq, 1997 was before he had won anything really, I think he had one finals appearance at that point. I was like 12 so that's my excuse for not remembering lol.
     
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    Yeah, that was controversial at the time that he made it basically on potential career versus earning a spot. If you had it in like 2008 though that would be like whether or not to include LeBron even though he has only played 5 seasons.
     
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    I would agree with that switch, Klay was/is an unbelievable defender.
     
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    Just curious why you are choosing not to include players like McAdoo and Wilkins? In my opinion adding 25 players doesn't mean it should only be players from the last 25 years if someone prior to that is more deserving.
     
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    I took it to mean basically top 25 since then. I think that's kind of what he was going for.
     
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    I get that but if it's the 75 greatest players in NBA history I think we should include players like Dominique who are better than a lot of people on that new list. Again, just my opinion.
     
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    julius Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I didn't include them because they weren't in the original 50, and I wanted to just include players that had their playing careers (or the bulk of them) after 1997.

    it's why I said "I'm not including players that SHOULD have been included", because that's not what I was talking about.
     
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    In my opinion

    Correcting 2 Wrongs from the Original List
    Dominque Wilkins
    Bob McAdoo

    But since we're limiting it to only players who played after the list was made

    Inarguable Locks

    1) LeBron James
    2) Dirk Nowitzki
    3) Kobe Bryant
    4) Tim Duncan
    5) Stephen Curry
    6) Kevin Garnett
    7) Allen Iverson
    8) Dwyane Wade
    9) Jason Kidd
    10) Kevin Durant

    Comfortably In
    11) Steve Nash
    12) Reggie Miller

    Probably In
    13) Ray Allen
    14) Paul Pierce
    15) Russell Westbrook
    16) Chris Paul
    17) James Harden
    18) Giannis Antetokounmpo
    19) Kawhi Leonard
    20) Pau Gasol
    21) Gary Payton

    Final Four (definitely debatable)
    22) Vince Carter
    23) Tracy McGrady
    24) Alonzo Mourning
    25) Chris Webber


    Man the last few were tough. I probably missed someone obvious too but I didn't see Gary Payton or Alonzo Mourning brought up elsewhere. I think both are probably deserving.
     
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    I wasn't sure whether to count Payton or not (whether he'd be part of the "post-1997 contingent" or whether he'd be "correcting past misses")--I do think he belongs. I'd also say Chris Paul is an inarguable lock--his career has been incredibly productive alongside being a tremendous defender.
     
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    Gary Payton was drafted 3 years after Reggie Miller and he's on your list though.
     

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