In my opinion there’s enough hate tossed around on here daily. Impossible for me to add to it. I don’t hate.
Possibly, but it depends on how much more of the pie gets eaten up by CEO and chip eaters? Say they eat 20% now. If we make it universal, will they eat up to 50% because now even more people have coverage that dont need it, more people are paying into it but not getting anything out of it? That extra isnt going to get trickled down based off the current system, it will get gobbled up by the greedy.
Then may I ask you to please be more of a part of the solution than the part of the instigator? calling peoples posts in here BS?
What is this thread about again? you just destroyed whatever you're trying to make this thread about. You want people to have a dialogue don't throw out very inaccurate and stupid statements. So retired people, children, anybody that owns a couch and eat potato chips and doesn't do what you feel they should be doing according to you they don't deserve healthcare. Not sure where we can go with that as far as discussions about left and right. Who do you think's paying for people without health insurance right now? You are through the inflated costs hospitals and medical providers charge your insurance company. A lot of stores charge a 6-7% markup to offset shoplifting why are you shopping at the stores? Why are you supporting stealing? if you want to have meaningful and productive discussions with people on a different side of the political aisle than you then it's up to you not to put out tired and inaccurate half-truths about the cost of healthcare and other things. If you take out potato chips couches and get right down to it what you want and are failing to say as that you want cheaper health Care with the same coverage or better coverage. If you can get that and people who eat potato chips and sit on couches can also get that does it really matter to you?
I don't see the 50% happening, and it's then getting into an argument or discussion where we're pulling out random numbers to support your side, with no basis of it. without private insurance, there's no CEO skimming off the top though, no?
Okay, lol. Im trying to comply with the direction of the thread and not be an ass and bitch at it going off topic. I didn't say anyone who owns a couch and eats potato chip . I have and do both. I said all day. If we are goin to twist things to meet a narrative, that isnt very productive discussion. Ill admit, I didnt read much further, because you turned my post into hyperbole. with the couch potato chip thing.
No CEO's, just money hungry politicians. And I dont think we are arguing, I think we are debating. However I have to bow out for a while. Work is getting busy. Not dodging anything and will come back later.
We already have money hungry politicians. Except with UHC, they wouldn't be taking bribes from medical corporations.
Here is my opinion, you support ANY aspect of Trump, you support ALL aspects of him. Plain and simple. I'd rather have a shit economy and less hate in this world. And YES I can blame the amount of hate and racism that's freely now tossed around on him. He gave all these people a green light. You can't "KINDA'" support him.
And why even start this thread on here, just add your opinion to the other 45 threads about this douche.
I think some people hate things you can control, and other times people hate things you cannot control. Example: Bob hates Joe because he is black and gay. Joe hates that Bob hates gays and black. The two are not the same. One you can control (I can chose not to hate people who are gay and black). The other you can't (I can't control if I'm black or gay).
Fair enough. Im n ot a supporter of Trump. I get people want to tie the hate back to him, but again, its been here before him, so where did it start then? Because it wasn't supposed to be about Trump if you read the op. It was about party divide and hate of the opposing opinions and viewpoints. I felt this discussion could use its own thread since many are already about Trump and i'm trying to create a separation of the hate trump and the hate the opposite party or viewpoint, but it keeps getting steered back to Trump. If a mod thinks its not worthy of its own thread I suppose they can merge into a thread of thier choice....
That's the standard Republican mindset. When you vote Republican, pre-Trump as well, you're voting for people who's position is to deny transgender people rights. The so-called "bathroom bills" weren't anything to do with Trump--they were Republicans.
The difference is, private companies (being short-cutted here as "CEOs") have a profit motive. They need to make money on top of socializing health costs. Government doesn't need to make a profit, because there aren't share-holders who get that profit. Government just needs to socialize the health costs. So either way you pay in (premiums or taxes) but premiums have a built-in price addition to get the company a profit (otherwise, what are they in business for?) in addition to covering health costs whereas the taxes for UHC just need to pull in enough to cover health costs.
So you think ALL republicans are in favor of denying alternative lifestyle people rights? I'm not going to say you are wrong without researching, but that just sounds silly and asinine to me. Also, bills that come into congress are there based off of some support, not all. It doesn't require a 100% party unity to get something passed through congress? I think the hate is ill aimed at all based on this type of mindset. Why cant I agree with Trump regarding, China for example, but not agree with him regarding domestic affairs, or handling of corona? Why cant I agree with Biden on his corona virus take, but disagree with his socialist takes? Why does it have to be either or and if not agreed, its hatred aimed at the disagreer?
No...I never said that. I said that when you vote Republican, whether you are for that or not, you're voting for a political institution that has shown that it has no interest in protecting the rights of transgender people. Why should transgender people like or respect you if you're voting for a party that marginalizes them? You're furthering that.
Okay, makes sense. So then we believe the government, will be more efficient in saving costs compared to private entities? How efficient has the government been on most other things like this they have control of? How is welfare working out? Has it helped minimize poverty? I see politicians grabbing at the funds and reallocating to fit thier motives, etc. So thats where the greed comes in I think.
That’s fair, but liberal Democrats are no longer of the same ideology they once we’re either. They are more about putting up the old front of ‘peace, love and understanding’, while continuing to rape the taxpayers, expand corporatism and inflate the military industrial complex right along side the Republicans. The two parties themselves have moved closer together while the people who follow them have moved farther apart. I say it’s by design, but I’m also one of the unhinged conspiracy theorists of the forum so who knows.
