Politics The Left vs. The Right...Where does the hatred lie?

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  1. Orion Bailey

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    Loaded question, typical though....

    As much as it takes?

    Again, the innitial funding will be expensive, but I believe will curtail as the bad seeds are weeded out and less oversite is thus required.
     
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    Not sure what you are hoping to get out of this conversation, but if you tell me what will make you happy I'll try to say it for you.

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    Ok, let's say your tax obligation has to increase by an additional 20% of your income. Ok with you?

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    I would refer you back to other op or my questions about hatred to you. But instead of answering you return questions with somewhat irrational questions. So i'm not sure either, other than... more?

    Or more fitting I think is, if you are not wanting to discuss, debate the OP, then what are you looking for in continuing to post in a round about way?
     
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    Oversimplified....

    It would all depend. What is happening to the funds the IRS confiscates due to cheating?
     
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    Obviously, the government would keep them. What do you think would happen?

    If you mean would that reduce the cost, yes it would. But let's say the NET cost to you is an additional 20% of your income. OK with that?

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    If Democrats wrote world history that’s about how it would read. It’s great you’ve found a basket to put all your eggs in but personally I don’t think I could ever talk that swell about EITHER of the two parties without having a gun to my back or a direct deposit linked to my checking account.
     
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    Its still not a black and white question in my mind. What is the plan to reduce costs moving forward as cheaters are weeded out?

    With that siad, I think you are grossly inflating the cost of oversite. 20% more tax revenue to pay for an oversite? Seems mighty high. Id say 5%. And yes Id be fine with that as long as the procedure is aimed at getting rid of cheaters and thus, over time, minimizing the overhead costs.
     
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    I think the hatred is growing on the dem side because some republicans have acknowledge that they have things to fix and so, we are the evil ones, when really both parties have issues to fix.

    For mew, I find it amusing how the left thinks the right is evil, but will not point anything out on their side that could also be contributing to the derailment of our society.

    To me it feels as though they believe they are correct on all facets and if you disagree with one of them, your part of the problem, when really to me, the problem is all this blank."your wrong, im right" mentality without taking time to dissect issues and move from one to the next, etc.

    Somewhat similar to what the video in the OP is stating.
     
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    The State of Oregon systems are about as inefficient as you can find.
     
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    Yep.
    Just ask @THE HCP how his unemployement is going.

    One of the reasons why I believe in limited government. If they cant be efficient with the system they currently have, how an we get more efficient by expanding? I see it becoming less efficient, and the main reason why Id prefer each state to have more control and the feds have less.

    Less control and more oversite of what IS controlled.
     
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    but hey, lets give the government more control of our money to dole out as they see fit instead of letting people keep thier money and fend more for themselves.
    I just dont agree with it.
    The reality is life and death is for everyone. period, but life is not the same for all and it never will be.
     
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    Why do you think its only poor? I know of a few people in my past who have been well off and take advantage of every thing they can from the government. They dont need it, but they take it.
     
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    well, I think you're well off base here, but some things are true, and one of the truths is:

    "a government that robs peter to pay paul can always count on the support of paul"
     
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    There is no plan to reduce enforcement. That would be counterproductive, you know as well as I do that those that want to cheat will cheat if they are allowed to. They aren't going to 'learn their lesson' by a temporary increase in enforcement, just like seeing a radar cop on the freeway just one time does not lead to a permanent reduction in speed.

    You can eliminate some cheaters by spending more. To eliminate ALL cheating, you have to spend a lot, because you have to check literally everyone.
    There is a curve crossing where the return is lower than the cost. It sounds like you are so offended by cheating that you are willing to spend more to stop it than you'll gain by stopping it. Yet you don't seem to be as offended by other types of cheating, such as inflated military contracts, or, dare I say it, the Republican party's corruption.

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    Fascinating.

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    I don't, but that seemed to be your focus earlier in the thread ("welfare").

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    you assume much.
    I get the curve you explained. But to say i dont care about how military money is spent is assuming. I do believe in a strong military defense. History has proven its needed to maintain. However we would need to examine all aspects of military funding because i too believe it could use some overhaul regarding certain programs.

    But you know whats starting to get to me? Is you keep sidestepping the question.
    How about that hate and where does it come from and why?
     
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    context barfo. I want states to have more control than the feds. That doesn't mean more control overall.
    Your twists are what is fascinating....
     
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    Really?
    Okay man.

    whos next?
    Barfos spins are circling know where.
    My focus has been on the hate. People steer the convo away and then barfo says its what im focusing on?
    Anyone interested in an HONEST discussion?
     

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