@Orion Bailey I'm cracking up at this thread. I mean I really thought this was about finding ways for "the left" and "the right" to talk to each other. I even posted in that support of that and all this has turned into is you arguing with everyone.
you are only one person. You don't see how people keep changing the topic? You don't see how barfo is making it personal and im trying to keep it above the level and keep trying to come back to the op? You dont see it as people arguing with me???? Hahahaha Sorry man. Just as many people viewing this thread but not posting, see my side to how this thread is going. But you all can continue to make this about me and then blame me for it, or we can get back to the topic of the op and try to discuss it and ways to change it, which to me starts with finding out where and why the hate comes from.
Oh for fucks sake @SlyPokerDog i went back and read the beginning of this theead and if you think barfo wanted actual discussion you are out of your mind. Just read my first response saying its not about me and keep it on topic. But instead he keeps coming at my ideals instead of addressing the op. And you think its me arguing with everyone? your biased nature might be peaking out again bro....
Sorry, I don't find that question very interesting. Maybe someone else does? Would you say that you hate that I don't want to talk about your pet topic? barfo
nope. Annoying though that you twist things and then your comrade tells me im the one arguing.... Ill tell ya what i do find interesting and funny though, ...is this thread was a test of sorts about whether S2 can have a discussion like this without making it personal. The verdict is spectacular!!
Lets take a guy who wanted a convo about the hate in the world and attack his personal ideals and then lets go ahead and claim he is arguing with everyone and lets not discuss the op. Lets just blame the poster for arguing. lol. This place is something else. Lol. i do thank some of you who did not make it personal. @RR7 @Minstrel and a few others. unfortunately it gets overshadowed by those who feel the need to argue and then turn and blame another for arguing. you may now return to your regularly scheduled programs.
Hey, if you want me to delete all of my posts in this thread I have no problem. If you can't see that I was trying to support what I thought you were trying to do then bad on me, man. Sorry.
I think the big issue that you have is you want to lump everyone together, and then make blanket generalizations. The right, the left, they hate them for X. And putting more blame on the left, it would seem. I think there's so many different political issues. But the super general blanket ones that separate the parties, at least socially, seem to be ones where "the left" want to give more rights to people, and "the right" does not. Generically speaking. So what wiggle room and blame shifting are you exactly looking for there? What middle room is there for discussion on abortion. Gay marriage. women's rights. Minority rights. LGBTQ rights? There's middle ground on other topics. I don't think in general there's "hatred" during these topics. But, I tried to have a discussion just about healthcare with you, and you seemed more interested in getting sidetracked in an argument. But on the topic of healthcare, I htink it should be a basic right of citizens to have provided healthcare. I think that makes for a better society. I don't HATE that you disagree, I just think it's silly to not want to do it because some people might abuse it, as if that doesn't already happen.
@Orion Bailey - I really dislike the word hate. Indeed, my children as they grew up could cuss but I would not let them say they hated anyone. To me, that sort of vitriolic language is part of the problem. That said, my, err, distaste for the right has to do with the fact that they have stood silently by and enabled a sociopathic, compulsively lying, couthless, criminally negligent ignoramus as he shreds the rule of law, the constitution, our alliances, and civility itself. All I the name of "disruption"? Please. You are all complicit. So no, I don't hate anyone. Even still. But I am shocked, surprised, dismayed, and repulsed by what you have allowed to happen to this country.
There's two really large issues to address here, in my opinion, when it comes to "hate" and where it comes from. 1. Tribalism -- with anything chosen that people take as part of their identity, they tend to become emotionally entangled in it. This can be something as consequential as political party or something as trivial as sports team. When someone chooses to be a part of something, it often becomes an emotional investment. That makes it difficult for people to converse in a neutral manner. 2. Some issues are personal -- It's fine to talk in a dry and academic way about tax proposals or foreign policy. But when the political issues are ones specifically of inherent identity--race, gender, sexuality, etc--it no longer becomes possible to talk in a detached, neutral way, nor should one necessarily. It's not "just a disagreement" when the argument is over whether you deserve rights or protection from abuse. And after a few battles of that level of intensity, it becomes difficult to engage on any of the other political topics with cool civility. After you've argued with someone about whether you should be marginalized, or others should be marginalized, having a cheerful debate about taxes seems a bit silly. Hatred certainly exists, but generally when people invoke "hate" in this context, what they really mean is a lack of desire to engage with the other person because they view the other person as passively or actively inimical to who they are. It's not hard to understand why, in my opinion, in light of those two things.
Hate is an emotion that can stir us to action. So, it is not necessarily bad. I must admit, there are people whom I've hated but as I learned more about them, they became friends. So, hate is not permanent. These are more observations about hate then comments about your post.
