The Nellie Effect: Expect Playoffs

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Gametime?:</div><div class="quote_post">expect playoffs? why? until they get more talent on that squad than I can't see them making the playoffs. he's a great coach but doesn't preach defense, and the warriors are a team who are already a weak defensive team.</div>

Where's the "O RLY" owl when we need him?

 

I think most of us agree the Warriors won't make the playoffs yet. Go argue with Marc Stein ;P

 

Ya rly!

Gametime is right though. From an outsider's perspective it definitely shows us that things still need to be fixed with our roster at a later time. But I don't think any devout warrior fans were expecting a whole lot after we couldn't even land the best FA of the offseason (a move which was good for scoring + athleticism, but questionable for other reasons like salary flexibility and role. It would have been another sign of desperation on Mullin's part if he overpaid SF and gave up our best rebounder and we're still stuck with Dunleavy for at least 3 years or in Foyle's case, the duration of his contract or until a team option pops up).


I'm just cranky because some fans (including me yesterday) now have a sickening glimmer of hope because of Don Nelson coming on board. But I think it's similar to the ray of hope we had when Mullin became GM because he was tied to the highly successful scoring run tmc trio. We have to wait for something tangible to happen. That means at the end of an 82 game season we want an improvement in the season record and signs that players have gotten better individually and as a team. Players have to do this for the coach and the GM has to find the right players to make this happen for the coach. It can't happen by getting Mitch Richmond, Tim Hardaway or Don Nelson back unless run tmc in their 40's suits up.

I'm just becoming bitter and jaded because we know this season Mullin couldn't make any moves unless he risked going into the point of no return with salaries.

But I'm really happy when I think about Diogu/Biedrins/Zarko/Ellis because
I know Don Nelson would probably like these players a lot and increase their role over guys like Foyle/Murphy f/c tandem or Dunleavy/Murphy f/c tandem.

 

There may not be any definite playoff teams in the West, particularly outside the top three teams(Phoenix, Dallas, and San Antonio). However with the addition of a coach that understands the NBA now with the Warriors' team, leading these young players who may not completely know how to compete and win games in this league; I see that as a plus over last season, which saw this team go through an irreversable total meltdown and breakdown from the top-down, and bottom-up last year. I think the warriors can compete with Memphis, Denver, Clippers, Lakers, Kings and every other team in the West for a legit playoff berth.

Baron Davis will finally have a coach that can really guide to be the top PG that his skills and attributes can lead him to be. Hopefully good improvements will come from Mike Dunleavy as well.

 

If the offseason lasted an extra month,Custodian,you'd be on Prozac,you're seeing the darkside too much-trust the force.

Seriously---we have had talent and misused them-like putting pads on Serena Willams and asking her to play Defensive End for the Niners. Nellie is not wedded to a system that never worked in the NBA. His style tends to favor the types we have in abundance and moreover-Nellie has vision and creativity.
Fish is no more. Gone. Everyone else is older and wiser. I'd hope various players worked at upgrading skills,getting stronger,quicker etc. I see a pretty nice boost just from Nellie working matchups better,having a more aggressive attack. I think he simplifies the D-but in so doing gains in execution.

Nellie will not stick with a bad plan that has us well under .500 and blowing late leads. All his tricks won't work-but he has the basic awareness to go with those that pay.

Finally-Nellie has more wins than any active coach. That's credibility. Monty was a coach the players KNEW was not cutting it-to their credit-they kept trying to make it work. This year they will come with an attitude that they CAN win,that they don't rely on some lucky 3's to drop,rather they just flat outplay teams-bring all the guns to bear and blow the bastards away.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Clif25:</div><div class="quote_post">There may not be any definite playoff teams in the West, particularly outside the top three teams(Phoenix, Dallas, and San Antonio). However with the addition of a coach that understands the NBA now with the Warriors' team, leading these young players who may not completely know how to compete and win games in this league; I see that as a plus over last season, which saw this team go through an irreversable total meltdown and breakdown from the top-down, and bottom-up last year. I think the warriors can compete with Memphis, Denver, Clippers, Lakers, Kings and every other team in the West for a legit playoff berth.

Baron Davis will finally have a coach that can really guide to be the top PG that his skills and attributes can lead him to be. Hopefully good improvements will come from Mike Dunleavy as well.</div>
I'd agree that top 3 is pretty set-and we are now able to fight with the others. Just look at rosters. Top to bottom. A lot of our competition has a HANDFUL uf scrubs who would not make this team. If Nellie makes our talent efficient and our depth a major plus---this team can be playoffs with room to spare-and not far from a bona-fide contender. Look at Ike-Monta-Biedrens....to Monty-these were afterthoughts who really only got to play if a "chosen one" screwed up 4-5 games in a row or a starter was hurt. With ANY opportunity-those 3 become starters. Monta and Ike...just with the skills they have TODAY-can get a combined 35-40 pts. Biedrens-as-is,can get us 10 boards a lot of D---no FT's made but a high % on FG's.

Pietrus was just screwed whenever we went snail slow,and Monty seemed to actually turn him from a great prospect into a confused guy without a role. Nice. I tend to think Nellie gets him back on track. Nellie will be petty happy to have a guy who has MP's defensive potential and can explode on offense.

Baron? He DID show us the promised land for a couple months but that ain't the Monty way. The Monty way is slow,cautious,paranoid and you win 45%...pick #9 every damn year. Well-kiss that crap goodbye.

 

Nellie will probably do stuff with Murphy that changes a lot of perceptions. The guy is not handicapped or some stat-whore. He's tried to do what the team asked-----and too often what was asked was a pretty bad idea.

Rerem sez-----by mid season we ALL will be happy we did not dump Murpy+ Pietrus for whatever.

 

No playoffs yet, but it should be funner getting there. Bring on the chalupas!!!

 

I hope the W's retain some of those awesome inbounds plays.

 

Monty should get a little trophy for his inbound plays..." Best Inbound Plays By A Coach With No NBA Future"

 

We should have kept him on the team as an assitant for those inbound plays. Those points could be the difference between a win and a loss!!

 

As the designated Monty backer I'm going to defend the guy. He was never given a chance.

First year, starts year with Claxton/Fisher as PG. Is that going to take you to the playoffs?

Second year, 1st training camp with Baron, then dude gets hurt. Your superstar goes down, now its Fisher/Ellis as PG. Hardly playoff caliber.

Last two years Nash has played at least 150 games. Think if the Warriors had a health Baron for 150 games the past two years. Yeah I know "woulda/shoulda/coulda" but I'm just saying that to put Monty's career in perspective.

 

comparing the Warriors to the Knicks made no sense to me.

One coach had 42 different starting lineups and did not get along well with anyone in the team or the organization.

The other coach will get players to like him because of the freedom he gives them and already has close ties to the organization

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Heat4Life:</div><div class="quote_post">comparing the Warriors to the Knicks made no sense to me.

One coach had 42 different starting lineups and did not get along well with anyone in the team or the organization.

The other coach will get players to like him because of the freedom he gives them and already has close ties to the organization</div>

No way we're like the Knicks. They suck even with the largest payroll in the league. At least, we're below the lux tax limit.

We suck too, but may be turning the corner. Could be like the Clips, Kings or Mavs when they all used to suck bad but then started improving. It's hard to say for sure until we see this team under Nelson. Even he said it will take some weeks until he has them in running shape and can evaluate.