Zombie The Next Siakam? Don't Sleep On Zach Collins.

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  1. PtldPlatypus

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    This feels overly simplistic. It might be accurate to say "when GM trades away a 1st round draft pick, they are implicitly saying what they are trading for has more value for that team at that moment than the pick," and even then it's kind of ignoring the value of immediacy. Had Matthews and Afflalo not both been hurt shortly after that trade went down, there's a legitimate possibility that what that trade could have netted would have been more valuable to this team and city than the eventual future draft pick. And even so, that could simply be that said GM is still a good draft evaluator, but a terrible evaluator of the value of the pieces that might come in return.

    Point is, there are enough ways you can critique Olshey's drafting acumen without stretching to add poor trades into the mix, and his trade record is worthy of critique all on its own.
     
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    So, you are suggesting he didn't undervalue Barton and the draft pick - he just overvalued Afflalo? That's an interesting take, but I'm not sure I buy the distinction. It was still a mistake in player evaluation.
     
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    If I remember correctly we were playing great ball for the five or so games after Afflalo came over but before he got injured.
     
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    It was, I agree. But since the discussion was about Olshey's skill as a draft evaluator, it's a relevant distinction.
     
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    Could be the MIP next year but I don't see the Siakam comparison. Maybe more Lauri Markkanen with shot blocking?
     
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    How don't compare him to Siakam to different skill set. As much as I like Zach he will always 4 or 5 option on this team on offense. The real reason he started to see minutes on the floor when he was a rookie until now it's was defense not his offense. Has he been consistent in bubble the answer is no. But he hasn't been trash either.
     
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    He did inspire some hope as a rookie. Even though it wasn't that long ago, I struggle to remember what it was, because looking at his rookie year stats I see nothing inspiring. There seemed to be something about the Collins/Ed Davis coupling that made Collins look better. Last year, I attributed his pedestrian looking play with playing with inferior players. Stick him with the starters and he'll look different. Guess not. At this point, I was expecting the outside shot to fall a little more frequently, his shot blocking specifically from the backside in help to become a real weapon, and maybe a developed go-to move or two. Like you say, he's not trash, but at this point he's not played up to his draft position either. We need someone like Quick to provide some real insight into Collins work habits. At this point in his career, he needs to be living in a gym full time playing as much basketball as possible. He's got pretty decent length, but generally can't count on his athleticism the way some players can. He needs to improve his skills and instincts and I'm not seeing a ton of movement in that direction since entering the league.
     
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    It may be the dementia talking, but it seems to me the flashes he showed as a rookie mostly came when he played the 5.
     
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    So is Wenyen Gabriel the next NEXT Siakam?
     
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    He didn’t go to Gonzaga, so no
     
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    His rookie year he almost exclusively only played if Ed Davis was in the game at the same time, so barely any minutes at center. Last year was a mix of both.
     
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    I see Collins as our Nick Collison. Picked too high, but does useful bench work and, if he stays around long enough, might become beloved.
     
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    I'll never understand why some folks around here always seem to have to have a player to hate.
     
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    This is what I’ve been talking about. You can’t fully judge our team yet as long as we’re playing without our starting PF, the next Siakam.
     
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    No one on our team right now can do what Zach can do:

     
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    And what's that? Miss all but 11 games over the last 2 years?
     
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    Is this checking on his progress or did the fucker get hurt again?
     
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