I just dont think two scoring jaggernauts and another 20ppg scorer in Wally is going to do much for Boston. You could say, well Telfair could push the tempo and they can be a fast team, but if AI was to go to Boston, Telfair will probably be going to Philly. I know the game is changing torwards more guard play, but I still think you cant win(like Finals win) unless A)you have a Lebron Wade type of player a offensive big man. And Kendrick Perkins/Al Jefferson isnt going to do it. I just dont see it working.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz76 @ Dec 8 2006, 03:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I just dont think two scoring jaggernauts and another 20ppg scorer in Wally is going to do much for Boston. You could say, well Telfair could push the tempo and they can be a fast team, but if AI was to go to Boston, Telfair will probably be going to Philly. I know the game is changing torwards more guard play, but I still think you cant win(like Finals win) unless A)you have a Lebron Wade type of player a offensive big man. And Kendrick Perkins/Al Jefferson isnt going to do it. I just dont see it working.</div>If Iverson is traded to Boston, Wally will most likely be shipped to Philadelphia, as will either Delonte West of Sebastian Telfair and one of the big men.Boston won't become an instant championship contender, but they would be closer than Philadelphia would with Iverson. Anything is possible in the East... and in a few years they will contend if their young players develop they way they should. Iverson + Pierce = automatic 45 wins in the East, in my opinion.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Dec 8 2006, 04:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It is beneficial for Iverson to go to a better team, but that does not mean that he will be involved in a blockbuster. GMs are not going to take the risk of bringing him into a bad situation (I.e. Atlanta) when they already know he's had it in Philly and wants out of one.Boston is a promising team for Iverson to go to. He has a LEGIT star in Paul Pierce, and that alone will win the Celtics 45-50 games in the East. Plus their younger players will continue to develop nicely, and they can contend in the East. It also makes sense for the Sixers because Boston is the only team with the right combination of potential, expiring contracts and picks that appeal to the Sixers.</div>The same thing happened with Carter, the Nets werent exactly a playoff team before he came, and he built it into a serious contender in the East. I dont like Boston for AI. Because I know Billy King wont like the idea. Sure Danny Ainge would, but it has to work for both sides, in which any case, besides trading Pierce, wont work out for your side.As for King, if he has the mentality you speak of, sure he will land a deal with Boston, but doesn't he care for the future of this club? It took Toronto 2 and now 3 years to rebuild without Carter, and they had the help of Bosh, if the Sixers rebuild with next to nothing in an all star, (nameingly, Gomes, Green, Szcerbiak) they will take even longer than the Raptors did, are the willing to risk the season, in HOPE of getting a good lottery pick?
:dribble: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Dec 8 2006, 03:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If Iverson is traded to Boston, Wally will most likely be shipped to Philadelphia, as will either Delonte West of Sebastian Telfair and one of the big men.Boston won't become an instant championship contender, but they would be closer than Philadelphia would with Iverson. Anything is possible in the East... and in a few years they will contend if their young players develop they way they should. Iverson + Pierce = automatic 45 wins in the East, in my opinion.</div>In a few years AI is going to be in a Payton, Zo situation so I dont think he would settle for a "45 wins team". First, AI will most likely be traded in the West, to a good team that has expirings, young qaulity players such as Memphis. I mean, if you look at the FBB forums, ive been saying this would be a good trade for a while now, way before AI demanding a trade straight out. I mean, whats the best way for Jerry West to go out? Getting a potential supertstar and a already superstar in one season, almost like what he did in '96 :dribble:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Dec 8 2006, 03:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The same thing happened with Carter, the Nets werent exactly a playoff team before he came, and he built it into a serious contender in the East. I dont like Boston for AI. Because I know Billy King wont like the idea. Sure Danny Ainge would, but it has to work for both sides, in which any case, besides trading Pierce, wont work out for your side.As for King, if he has the mentality you speak of, sure he will land a deal with Boston, but doesn't he care for the future of this club? It took Toronto 2 and now 3 years to rebuild without Carter, and they had the help of Bosh, if the Sixers rebuild with next to nothing in an all star, (nameingly, Gomes, Green, Szcerbiak) they will take even longer than the Raptors did, are the willing to risk the season, in HOPE of getting a good lottery pick?</div>The Nets had Kidd and Jefferson there before acquiring Carter. The Celtics have Pierce. The Boston scenario does work for both sides... because Boston has the best selection of youth, draft picks and expiring contracts to speed up the rebuilding process for the 76ers. Who could offer a more attractive package for Allen Iverson than Boston could? Nobody, in my opinion, especially when every GM in the league knows that Allen Iverson wants out of Philadelphia, and that Billy King basically HAS to get rid of him.Think of it this way... say you have a Ferrari, and you basically let everybody know you don't want it anymore. People aren't going to make you a fair offer for it since they know you don't want it anymore. They are going to try to get it as cheaply as they possibly could. Same thing here, that is why there is no blockbuster deal happening where the Sixers are going to get a superstar in return.The other plus side to not getting a superstar in return is that we get to see whether or not Iguodala can truly be a first option on this team, or will he be relegated to being a second option? It will also force him to be aggressive offensively. We'll lose a lot of games, but that means a higher draft pick, which likely means drafting Oden (if he comes out) or Durant.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz76 @ Dec 8 2006, 04:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>:dribble: In a few years AI is going to be in a Payton, Zo situation so I dont think he would settle for a "45 wins team". First, AI will most likely be traded in the West, to a good team that has expirings, young qaulity players such as Memphis. I mean, if you look at the FBB forums, ive been saying this would be a good trade for a while now, way before AI demanding a trade straight out. I mean, whats the best way for Jerry West to go out? Getting a potential supertstar and a already superstar in one season, almost like what he did in '96 :dribble:</div>They would be a 45 win team RIGHT NOW. In a few years they would be legitimate Eastern Conference contenders if their young players progress the way they should.I agree Billy King should trade him to a Western team, but King is a dumbass.I don't want to see Iverson in a Boston uniform for a variety of reasons, but Boston makes the most sense and is the most logical and realistic possibility.
It makes alotve since for Philly to do it, but Ainge is going to have to be the biggest idiot to do it. I mean, I think Boston should trade Pierce and go strictly young cause IMO when Telfair and Green are stars....and maybe Jefferson I guess , Pierce will be pretty old. But I dont see why Boston would do this, they are desperate but I just dont think AI and Pierce is going to make a team a contender. Two superstars, but I just dont see how they would fit. Anyways, AI has been looking to get back to his SG role anyways.Oh and AI has 5 yrs tops of being a supertstar still. Pierce is still in prime and has more time, but both will be old and past prime by the time Green and Telfair and the others are developed.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Dec 8 2006, 05:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Nets had Kidd and Jefferson there before acquiring Carter. The Celtics have Pierce. The Boston scenario does work for both sides... because Boston has the best selection of youth, draft picks and expiring contracts to speed up the rebuilding process for the 76ers. Who could offer a more attractive package for Allen Iverson than Boston could? Nobody, in my opinion, especially when every GM in the league knows that Allen Iverson wants out of Philadelphia, and that Billy King basically HAS to get rid of him.Think of it this way... say you have a Ferrari, and you basically let everybody know you don't want it anymore. People aren't going to make you a fair offer for it since they know you don't want it anymore. They are going to try to get it as cheaply as they possibly could. Same thing here, that is why there is no blockbuster deal happening where the Sixers are going to get a superstar in return.The other plus side to not getting a superstar in return is that we get to see whether or not Iguodala can truly be a first option on this team, or will he be relegated to being a second option? It will also force him to be aggressive offensively. We'll lose a lot of games, but that means a higher draft pick, which likely means drafting Oden (if he comes out) or Durant.They would be a 45 win team RIGHT NOW. In a few years they would be legitimate Eastern Conference contenders if their young players progress the way they should.I agree Billy King should trade him to a Western team, but King is a dumbass.I don't want to see Iverson in a Boston uniform for a variety of reasons, but Boston makes the most sense and is the most logical and realistic possibility.</div>Hold on a sec, is it that they dont want him? Or he doesn't want them? The Sixers can still rebuild real quick if they get a better deal, how about a couple of draft picks in return? Why do the Sixers have to start with nothing? They need experience, a leader, and a solid all around contributer to begin over again. I keep going back to using the Raptors as an example, By the time VC left here, Bosh was forming in our (disputed) "franchise player", and is doing so now. Second, why take your risk with Andre? Can you wait for a player to step up? Or they do they ACTUALLY step up? Igoudala is not necassarily stopped from being a good player in Philli, yes not a franchise type one, but nonetheless, he is not stopped from achieving.
Uhm yall re talking like Philly will automatcly get Durant or Oden, they might ebd up with the 7th pick despite being the worst in league. You never know.....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz76 @ Dec 8 2006, 06:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It makes alotve since for Philly to do it, but Ainge is going to have to be the biggest idiot to do it. I mean, I think Boston should trade Pierce and go strictly young cause IMO when Telfair and Green are stars....and maybe Jefferson I guess , Pierce will be pretty old. But I dont see why Boston would do this, they are desperate but I just dont think AI and Pierce is going to make a team a contender. Two superstars, but I just dont see how they would fit. Anyways, AI has been looking to get back to his SG role anyways.Oh and AI has 5 yrs tops of being a supertstar still. Pierce is still in prime and has more time, but both will be old and past prime by the time Green and Telfair and the others are developed.</div> You can't go completely young and win basketball games, you have to have a mix of youth and experience. Trading Pierce for more youth would be a big mistake.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz76 @ Dec 8 2006, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Uhm yall re talking like Philly will automatcly get Durant or Oden, they might ebd up with the 7th pick despite being the worst in league. You never know.....</div>Actually, it's impossible for the team with the worst record to get worse than the 4th overall now. Portland got effed up last year haha.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Dec 8 2006, 05:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You can't go completely young and win basketball games, you have to have a mix of youth and experience. Trading Pierce for more youth would be a big mistake.</div> Thannk you, BCB, doesn't it make sense to have a leader when you are going to war? You have the same mentality if they want to compete for the next 2-5 years in the NBA.
Lol, I never mentioned winning games. I just think they should rebuild. I mean, Green probably could get 15 a night or even more if 1st option. I just dont think Boston should hold down Pierces career just cause they wanna win 30 games instead of 10. The way I see it, if your going to suck and be young, go all out and get a high pick and get good qaulity young players who will help you when you ARE good, cause unless they get a star big man, I just dont see them winning soon. And Pierce isnt going to be much help when hes 35.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz76 @ Dec 8 2006, 06:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Lol, I never mentioned winning games. I just think they should rebuild. I mean, Green probably could get 15 a night or even more if 1st option. I just dont think Boston should hold down Pierces career just cause they wanna win 30 games instead of 10. The way I see it, if your going to suck and be young, go all out and get a high pick and get good qaulity young players who will help you when you ARE good, cause unless they get a star big man, I just dont see them winning soon. And Pierce isnt going to be much help when hes 35.</div> They are rebuilding...they have young starters at every position...Rondo, Telfair, Green, Gomes, Perkins and Jefferson...trading for more youth makes absolutely no sense at all because it creates minutes problems for these young guys.
WHOA we're off subject. This is exactly why I stick to Orlando and Memphis, I express my opinion and people have a problem with it. I just think they shouldnt hold onto Pierce if they arent going to get better, trading for a star(big man), wise. I understand there youg players are getting better, but Peirce will be so old when Boston begins to win games with the group they ahve.
Kobe and A.I know each other's game very well and they both respect each others game. I think they would indeed work well together.
I mean, trade for expirings or something. And you cant convince me that Rondo, Telfair,Green,Perkins and Jefferson will ALL turn into very good players. One of them will probably wont get much better.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz76 @ Dec 8 2006, 06:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>WHOA we're off subject. This is exactly why I stick to Orlando and Memphis, I express my opinion and people have a problem with it. I just think they shouldnt hold onto Pierce if they arent going to get better, trading for a star(big man), wise. I understand there youg players are getting better, but Peirce will be so old when Boston begins to win games with the group they ahve.</div> Who cares if Pierce is older when they get better? He would be great to have around for leadership..etc...When he's older hopefully the young guys will be able to run the ship...whats the problem with that? To be a good team you need young and old and everyone in between, not everyone can be in their prime. No team is going to trade a star big man for Paul Pierce...Unless you have enough young 'star' bigs you don't trade big for small in this league.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz76 @ Dec 8 2006, 06:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I mean, trade for expirings or something. And you cant convince me that Rondo, Telfair,Green,Perkins and Jefferson will ALL turn into very good players. One of them will probably wont get much better.</div> So what? If one of them doesn't work out they have 5 more good young players.
Its my opinion on what Boston should and eventually will do if they dont get another superstar soon. You know, you dont have to have a superstar to be a leader. Theres players like Brevin Knight and Eddie Jones who arent superstars but are the captains. So just cause you trade your superstar doesn't mean you completely lose leadership.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>No team is going to trade a star big man for Paul Pierce...Unless you have enough young 'star' bigs you don't trade big for small in this league.</div>exactly, thats why I thnk they should rebuild completely WITHOUT pierce.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz76 @ Dec 8 2006, 05:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Its my opinion on what Boston should and eventually will do if they dont get another superstar soon. You know, you dont have to have a superstar to be a leader. Theres players like Brevin Knight and Eddie Jones who arent superstars but are the captains. So just cause you trade your superstar doesn't mean you completely lose leadership.</div>If Boston trades Paul Pierce, what veteran leadership will they have? Lots of times, former superstar, veteran leaders are the best ones to have on the court.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz76 @ Dec 8 2006, 06:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Its my opinion on what Boston should and eventually will do if they dont get another superstar soon. You know, you dont have to have a superstar to be a leader. Theres players like Brevin Knight and Eddie Jones who arent superstars but are the captains. So just cause you trade your superstar doesn't mean you completely lose leadership.exactly, thats why I thnk they should rebuild completely WITHOUT pierce.</div> Brevin Knight and Eddie Jones? The Celtics need a guy like Pierce to take over games...without Pierce the Celtics would be probably the worst team in basketball. You can rebuild with Pierce. I don't see why you wouldn't.
