But dont yall get the concept of rebuilding? Your superstar isnt doing it for you, so you start over. Pierce can easily bring in leadership players AND young and good players. Its just my opinion, dont jump on my back cause I think a team should do something different even if it means trading their best player.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Dec 8 2006, 04:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Brevin Knight and Eddie Jones? The Celtics need a guy like Pierce to take over games...without Pierce the Celtics would be probably the worst team in basketball. You can rebuild with Pierce. I don't see why you wouldn't.</div>CAUSE YOU CAN REBUILD BETTER FOR THE FUTURE IF YOU GET PICKS, EXPIRINGS AND YOUNGER PLAYERS FOR PIERCE. I agree you can do it with him, I never said you couldnt. I just think it would be better if you traded him for rebuilfing pieces. They need somebody to take over games? Come on, does it matter if your still a lotto team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Dec 8 2006, 04:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hold on a sec, is it that they dont want him? Or he doesn't want them? The Sixers can still rebuild real quick if they get a better deal, how about a couple of draft picks in return? Why do the Sixers have to start with nothing? They need experience, a leader, and a solid all around contributer to begin over again. I keep going back to using the Raptors as an example, By the time VC left here, Bosh was forming in our (disputed) "franchise player", and is doing so now. Second, why take your risk with Andre? Can you wait for a player to step up? Or they do they ACTUALLY step up? Igoudala is not necassarily stopped from being a good player in Philli, yes not a franchise type one, but nonetheless, he is not stopped from achieving.</div>The Sixers wanted to keep Iverson... Iverson wants out.I know they can get draft picks in return, and I've been saying that, but there aren't many teams out there that want Iverson and have the trading pieces to actually satisfy Philadelphia in a trade. Boston is the leader in that aspect, with 10 players under the age of 25 (young players with potential), expiring contracts to match up the salaries (Wally and Ratliff) and draft picks. Not only that, but Boston would be a more attractive situation for Iverson than Philadelphia currently is...Obviously it isn't as attractive as joining the Spurs or being traded to Minnesota to play with KG, but again it takes two to tango, and right now Boston is the only viable trading partner I see that would make sense. This is all assuming, of course, that King has the same idea as me (rebuild with picks, young players and through FA), but King is crazy and I really don't know what he is thinking. What I do know is that he is not looking to get a superstar player in return.Iguodala is the next in line at the moment, and there is nobody else on our team that is capable of being a #1 option, and I'm not even sure that Andre is capable of being a #1 option. That's why trading Iverson will allow us to see what we have in Iguodala. Is he a #1 option, a complimentary second option, or a third option? He's always said that since he's playing alongside Iverson and Webber he doesn't need to score. He's stated that if he needed to score then he would become more aggressive offensively. Andre needs to be thrown into the fire for us to see what kind of player he really is and how he will fit in with our future.I understand sucking really bad won't guarantee the #1 pick, but there are good big men prospects out there this year (namely Oden, Durant and Noah).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Dec 8 2006, 05:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Sixers wanted to keep Iverson... Iverson wants out.I know they can get draft picks in return, and I've been saying that, but there aren't many teams out there that want Iverson and have the trading pieces to actually satisfy Philadelphia in a trade. Boston is the leader in that aspect, with 10 players under the age of 25 (young players with potential), expiring contracts to match up the salaries (Wally and Ratliff) and draft picks. Not only that, but Boston would be a more attractive situation for Iverson than Philadelphia currently is...Obviously it isn't as attractive as joining the Spurs or being traded to Minnesota to play with KG, but again it takes two to tango, and right now Boston is the only viable trading partner I see that would make sense. This is all assuming, of course, that King has the same idea as me (rebuild with picks, young players and through FA), but King is crazy and I really don't know what he is thinking. What I do know is that he is not looking to get a superstar player in return.Iguodala is the next in line at the moment, and there is nobody else on our team that is capable of being a #1 option, and I'm not even sure that Andre is capable of being a #1 option. That's why trading Iverson will allow us to see what we have in Iguodala. Is he a #1 option, a complimentary second option, or a third option? He's always said that since he's playing alongside Iverson and Webber he doesn't need to score. He's stated that if he needed to score then he would become more aggressive offensively. Andre needs to be thrown into the fire for us to see what kind of player he really is and how he will fit in with our future.I understand sucking really bad won't guarantee the #1 pick, but there are good big men prospects out there this year (namely Oden, Durant and Noah).</div>Exactly, so it all adds up to what King thinks, which is were our opinions differ.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz76 @ Dec 8 2006, 05:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>They need somebody to take over games? Come on, does it matter if your still a lotto team.</div>Actually it does matter, you don't want your young players to get used to a loosing atmosphere. If they have someone that can take over games, and trys hard to win, the younger players see that and plays harder to. Pierce can be the veteran that Grant Hill is in future years if he stays around, that's why I think it would be good to keep Pierce around right now.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (valo35 @ Dec 8 2006, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Actually it does matter, you don't want your young players to get used to a loosing atmosphere. If they have someone that can take over games, and trys hard to win, the younger players see that and plays harder to. Pierce can be the veteran that Grant Hill is in future years if he stays around, that's why I think it would be good to keep Pierce around right now.</div>Yes thats true, good point. But they are already in a losing atmosphere. So it still doesn't matter.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Dec 8 2006, 04:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Exactly, so it all adds up to what King thinks, which is were our opinions differ.</div>Alright, so what do you think King wants in return for Iverson? King is in a bad situation... but then again, that ***hole shouldn't even be our GM right now but he still has his job because his boyfriend owns our damn team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz76 @ Dec 8 2006, 05:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yes thats true, good point. But they are already in a losing atmosphere. So it still doesn't matter.</div>That's because of coaching. Once Doc gets fired, or decides to do the right thing and steps down, this team will get better. More defined and sensible rotations will come in, and the team will respond better. The young Celtics still appear to be playing hard and hustling, and I think it has to do with their own heart, and Pierce keeping them focused.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz76 @ Dec 8 2006, 06:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But dont yall get the concept of rebuilding? Your superstar isnt doing it for you, so you start over. Pierce can easily bring in leadership players AND young and good players. Its just my opinion, dont jump on my back cause I think a team should do something different even if it means trading their best player.CAUSE YOU CAN REBUILD BETTER FOR THE FUTURE IF YOU GET PICKS, EXPIRINGS AND YOUNGER PLAYERS FOR PIERCE. I agree you can do it with him, I never said you couldnt. I just think it would be better if you traded him for rebuilfing pieces. They need somebody to take over games? Come on, does it matter if your still a lotto team.</div> What do they need more rebuilding pieces for? They have the rebuilding pieces on the team already. Other than Pierce and Wally nobody on that team makes any money...they don't need expiring contracts. Pierce is the face of the franchise and half the reason people bother to see the Celtics play. I don't think trading him is worth the trouble.
Wow, the situation with Iverson and the 76ers is worse than I originally thought. He was healthy enough to play tonight but the Sixers told him not to come to the arena tonight or tomorrow night. :no1:Looks like Iverson will be out of Philadelphia within the next few weeks.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Dec 8 2006, 07:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wow, the situation with Iverson and the 76ers is worse than I originally thought. He was healthy enough to play tonight but the Sixers told him not to come to the arena tonight or tomorrow night. :no1:Looks like Iverson will be out of Philadelphia within the next few weeks.</div>I wouldnt want him around either - why would you want someone on the court if he's not going to try his best to win.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ReppinTheD @ Dec 8 2006, 06:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I wouldnt want him around either - why would you want someone on the court if he's not going to try his best to win.</div>He is trying his best to win, and he has been despite the unhappiness. The only difference, as SAS mentioned, was that now he "hopes" to win a game, instead of "expecting" to win the game, even though he still gives 110% every night. He isn't half-assing it like VC or T-Mac did.Obviously the whole thing has had a negative impact on the locker room, so that obviously has something to do with it.:HAHAHA: at Chris Webber during the pregame interview...
he's as good as gone now. I just read an article that said he was sent home and won't play tonight against the wizards or tomorrow. this may be similar to the artest situation last season when he demanded to be traded.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Dec 8 2006, 08:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Iverson said "I hope to be going to Minnesota." :shok:</div>KG and AI - wow :shok: But - I would kiss the Sixers season good bye right about now.
AI in Minny, That would be a dream come true for me (since I like the twolves) and yeh wolves fans.Hope that happens.
Let's not get too excited for the Wolves...if they trade for Iverson they have to give up players...And they probably still won't win...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Dec 8 2006, 08:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Let's not get too excited for the Wolves...if they trade for Iverson they have to give up players...And they probably still won't win...</div>True, but considering the fact that this season has been boring as hell so far, this is pretty exciting.Looks like he should be heading to pair up with KG, because according to Jim Gray the deal is already in the works, and Iverson is aware of that.
Well what can minny give up besides say hassel, kg & davis Mike James lol ?and im sure there a some decent players on the roster that they can give up. In my opinion Wolves, Nuggets & Celtics are the main contenders for him and I do think the wolves have a decent chance at him.o It's somthing to get excited about! lol.
dang I just posted in the wolves forum, guess im waaaaay late. anyway if the wolves can get iverson they will be insane. it wont even be fair to the rest of the league with a duo of KG and AI
