Politics The OFFICIAL Biden vs Trump Debate #1 Thread

That's part of the plan. That's how you keep wages low. That's why neither party actually wants to fix immigration.

 

It was getting a lot of play on social media late last night.

 

Trump's just trying to keep his amateur status because he hadn't heard the Olympics allow professionals now.

 

Arguing with me is futile because you are ill-equipped to have an informed discussion.

 

Trump didn't win the debate. Biden didn't win it either. Biden's performance did lose him the debate in the end though. So badly democrats are trying to figure out a way to replace him.

If this is the best America can do: A convicted felon, and A doddering old shell of his former self. It is no wonder America is in trouble.

Good luck with this shit everyone. Either way we go, America loses...

 

You are watching a senile geriatric embody every aspect of those words, then deflecting the stark reality of it onto Trump using irrelevant examples. I understand Trump has many, many unsettling characteristics. We all know this. None of them happen to be senility. Address Trump’s actual faults at face value instead of just saying he is everything Biden is. It’s so tired and obvious. It is 3rd grade “no you are” debate.

 

It is true that immigrants fill a void by doing unsavory, low wage jobs. The problem is that the need for these jobs is not exponential. We don’t need 10 million new farm hands. When you let the flow of immigration go completely unmitigated you no longer have enough jobs to keep them all busy and instead they are a drain on the taxpayers, including the illegal farm hands here working.

 

Well, a little, but people seem to just brush aside that that convicted felon also tried to stop the peaceful transfer of power, said he'd be a dictator for at least his first day back in office, wants to end NATO, caused millions of Americans to suffer because he sent so many mixed messages about COVID and has gone into bankruptcy like a half-dozen times and had one of the worst economic presidencies in our country's history. Oh, yeah, he's only a couple of years younger than the doddering old shell of his former self and lies even when he doesn't have to.

It's not anywhere near an ideal situation, but comparing Biden's liabilities to Trump's is like saying Drew Brees had a weak arm so he's about the same as Mitch Trubitsky.

Let me ask anyone, aside from getting three SCOTUS justices, which really wasn't his doing as much as Mitch McConnell's, what exactly was the notable achievement of Trump's term in office? What is the big positive that he's known for?

 

Could you imagine being so charged up politically that it becomes a lifestyle.


That’s MAGA and I’ll never understand it. Trump has nothing in common with them.

Bizarro world that will be looked back at in history like Wtf

 

Decided to watch this thing after hearing about how disastrous it was. I think it's worth noting how debates sort of kick off election delirium season and stories gone in a day now last two weeks. I'm a contrarian prick at heart so the gaslighting on how Biden would go late in the first round as a wirey point guard did nothing for me. I get the impression that he's an old man, having old man problems, and it's been this way since the 2020 election. Reading up to this point, it sounds like I'm about to do the it's so sad to see grandpa Biden deteriorate on stage, how could they do this to him routine but that wasn't what I was seeing.

I genuinely believe the cope line from the Biden camp that he was overprepared. The closing statement was way too jumbled up and overwritten; much like whatever the hell that abortion turned immigrant murder horror story answer was. Trump is a soundbite guy, so I'm guessing they wanted to spotlight how shallow he is in comparison to a seasoned politician like Biden who (should be) deeply familiar with policy. It was the absolute wrong thing to do, you could see Biden doing a triple blink trying to remember his spots, his next talking point, doing cuts on the fly. His best moment to me felt totally spontaneous. Late in the debate as they're grilling Trump for being on some revenge mission, before they cut to break Biden says (brutal paraphrasing) "you lost and it broke you" that was good shit!

Trump clearly won the debate, but considering the headlines about a potential replacement, "off night" cope tweets and even some posts in this thread, it didn't come off as all that dire to me. To the point that I look at those panel shows suddenly acting like Joe is this spiraling mess a bit suspiciously.

 

You go out to eat wanting pizza. Only they don't serve pizza. Your choice is burger or dog barf. Burger not exactly what you want but infinitely preferable to eating dog barf.

 

we will be ordering off the menu tonight (brain worms)

 

Same.

And, considering what Trump's SCOTUS did today, a lot of the damage from last night has been mitigated. Average Biden voters today weren't nearly as defeatist as the CNN panel last night.

Basically, Biden had the worst night on Trump's best and Trump still couldn't win a crushing victory because he has no substance. He can't win on issues. He only can win on presentation.

 

Presentation is all it takes to win voters, unfortunately.

 

Yeah, many times. I like to think enough info is out there and this election is so important that this might be an exception. Stuff I've been reading and hearing today leads me to be more optimistic,

 

First, let me be very clear. I never want Trump or Biden in the whitehouse again.

I agree with some of what you said. There are many issues here to cover. But, respectfully, I disagree on a major point.

Biden claims to have improved the economy. Well for some it is better. The rich are getting richer.

But for the poor, and people on fixed incomes. We were far better off under Trumps economy. Plus, Biden is wiping out the middle class.

If Trump had not made so many mistakes as you mention. Biden would not have a chance in this election. Biden is a total fuckup, on so many issues

 

Well, that's good to hear. Hard for me to have much faith after 2016.

 

The middle class has been wiped out by right-wing supply-side economics and Reagan's attacks on unions since the 1980s. Biden can't be held accountable for that. It's not something that just happened over the last three years.

Also, Biden has taken steps to bring back some manufacturing jobs that should bring back some middle-class jobs, but a lot of damage was done well before he took the oath of office.

Trump, by contrast, inherited Obama's strong economy. Sure, it prospered for a while. Of course, he also exploded the deficit and the only tax cuts that he made that were staying forever were for the wealthiest Americans. In other words, if you didn't feel it from COVID, you'd have been feeling the pinch from Trump's economic policy eventually.

Speaking of COVID, I presume you mean the lower income brackets were doing better under Trump during his first three years than under Biden is his first three. Probably true. As mentioned above, Trump took over a thriving Obama economy. Biden took over an economy Trump wrecked spectacularly during the pandemic.

Not only did we have a higher death and infection rate, Trump's inability to come up with a strong policy during the pandemic had our economy suffering more than most of our peers in 2020. Inflation was a predictable outcome, but the United States under Biden has had lower inflation than peer countries, all of which have felt the same effects trying to bounce back from COVID.

Our economy was worse than our peers during COVID (Trump). Our inflation has been lower than our peers after COVID (Biden). Seems to tell me that the problem was Trump, not Biden. Maybe if Trump knew anything about macroeconomics and cared about Americans, that wouldn't be the case, but, unfortunately, he does not. And the whole 10% tariff plan or cutting income tax Trump's been proposing should terrify you if you really care about people living on Main Street, because it's pretty much universally acknowledged it's untenable for the country's economic well being.

Therefore, respectfully, I disagree with you. You observation is correct, to a point, but, in the light of greater context, your conclusion is not.

 

I hear you. I thought 2016 would wake people up about the dangers of our political discourse, but, in fact, it made it worse.