You can't blame the Lakers for not wanting to include Andrew Bynum in the deal. The Nets have no shot at landing Bynum, Odom, or Kobe. The Warriors could piece together a better offer, but will they? Adding Kidd probably guarantees the Warriors make the playoffs, but how does he fit in with Baron Davis and Monta Ellis? I guess the Warriors could shop Baron around if the deal doesn't work out, and Kidd would mentor Ellis until he's ready to replace Kidd as the everyday starter. On the flipside, let's assume the Nets take the Lakers deal after LA lands Jamaal Magloire for Radman or Cook plus filler or Kwame for Magloire. The Nets would get immediate capspace, a couple of draft picks, and more importantly the Nets can start losing and increasing the amount of ping pongs they'd have in this year's lottery. Going into rebuilding mode, could also force Vince Carter to exercise his option, which would save them an additional $16Million.
But guys, do you really believe that we could beat the Mavs or the Suns with just Kidd on our team ? I know that he's GREAT, talented, smart and pretty much legendary player, but I've always believed that bigmen bring championships and creates great franchises, mainly. (Kobe had Shaq, then it comes TD, Big Ben and 'Sheed, C-Webb, Dwight brought Orlando pretty much back, so did Yao. From the past: Russell, Chamberlain, Kareem, Barkley, Malone, Rodman still meant a lot to the Bulls etc etc etc). Maybe if we could land Kidd, we could give away Kidd and Odom and get KG and Randy Foye OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. :thumbsup:
MrJ, do you have any idea of what you're talking about? The talks are a lot more serious than you think, the Nets don't have a better off on the table for Kidd and if they're rebuilding, this deal would give them a orgasm of cap relief. Look at what Philly got for Iverson, a player at the end of his prime...they got peanuts. Kidd, on the other hand is a player who's got at the most 3 good years in him, nobody wants that outside of the Lakers. Kidd has requested a trade to the Lakers and there is a great possibility that it happens. Not every trade is going to get you close to fair value, this is a financial trade and it makes sense for the Nets. I don't see how the deal makes any sense for GS. They're offering J Rich, but New Jersey hasn't bitten on that. They obviously want to rebuild and any deal with Golden State would include a long term contract.
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">You can't blame the Lakers for not wanting to include Andrew Bynum in the deal. The Nets have no shot at landing Bynum, Odom, or Kobe. The Warriors could piece together a better offer, but will they? Adding Kidd probably guarantees the Warriors make the playoffs, but how does he fit in with Baron Davis and Monta Ellis? I guess the Warriors could shop Baron around if the deal doesn't work out, and Kidd would mentor Ellis until he's ready to replace Kidd as the everyday starter. On the flipside, let's assume the Nets take the Lakers deal after LA lands Jamaal Magloire for Radman or Cook plus filler or Kwame for Magloire. The Nets would get immediate capspace, a couple of draft picks, and more importantly the Nets can start losing and increasing the amount of ping pongs they'd have in this year's lottery. Going into rebuilding mode, could also force Vince Carter to exercise his option, which would save them an additional $16Million.</div> That's interesting, but that move isn't guaranteed. Why would a rebuilding Portland team want Radmanovic who is fresh off of a $30-million deal? The Magloire for Kwame deal seems more likely, but again, why would the Blazers - who are rebuilding - want Kwame? With Randolph holding it down at PF and the Blazers trying to develop Aldridge, Kwame wouldn't really fit. If the Lakers trade somehow goes down, I think the Nets still have better options to go to. The Warriors trade is much better though. Jason Richardson, despite his horrific year, is a quality SG and a change of scenery could caterpult him to the player he once was and Pietrus is young and has been showing signs of improvement. The Nets already won too many games to be a serious contender for a real quality lottery spot and as long as they have Carter they should win at least 33 games. But this is the NBA and if Shaq can get traded for Odom, Butler, and Grant, then I guess anything can happen, it just has a slim chance of happening. <div class="quote_poster">Mamba Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">MrJ, do you have any idea of what you're talking about? The talks are a lot more serious than you think, the Nets don't have a better off on the table for Kidd and if they're rebuilding, this deal would give them a orgasm of cap relief.</div> I never said there weren't any talks. I even told Brian there seems to be substance in the rumor. What "orgasm" of cap room do the Nets get? Their only expiring contract this season is Mihm's $4.2 million contract. Kwame's contract expires next season. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Look at what Philly got for Iverson, a player at the end of his prime...they got peanuts. Kidd, on the other hand is a player who's got at the most 3 good years in him, nobody wants that outside of the Lakers. Kidd has requested a trade to the Lakers and there is a great possibility that it happens. Not every trade is going to get you close to fair value, this is a financial trade and it makes sense for the Nets.</div> Even if he did request a trade, why are the Nets obligated to trade Kidd to the Lakers. In fact, why are the Nets obligated to trade him at all? Why can't they wait until the offseason? And the Iverson trade is quite different. The 76ers owner publicly confirmed Iverson's trade request, putting them in a position where they absolutely had to trade him. Thorn didn't publicly confirm Jason Kidd's trade request, so the Nets don't even have to trade him. And in terms of value, the 76ers got two draft picks and one of the best point guards in the league in Andre Miller, which by far surpasses the Lakers offer. I don't expect the Nets to get fair value for Kidd, I just don't expect Kwame/Mihm and the rest of the guys to get the job done. Besides, the Nets are also only a few games behind a playoff spot and if they manage to retain their roster, while adding another impact player, they could make some noise in the East again. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't see how the deal makes any sense for GS. They're offering J Rich, but New Jersey hasn't bitten on that. They obviously want to rebuild and any deal with Golden State would include a long term contract.</div> That's a good point, but the Nets wanting to rebuild is just speculation. And you can't say they aren't interested because they haven't "bitten" on the trade. Using that logic, the Nets aren't interested in the Lakers offer because they haven't "bitten" on their offer.
Agreed, having to get a third team involved reduces the odds on the Lakers getting a deal done. Portland is desperate to unload Jamaal Magloire, and Radman had success in Nate McMillan's system when they were together in Seattle. The other name being mentioned is Brian Cook, who carries a lot of value throughout the league. I'm not sure why Portland would want Kwame Brown either. They have a glut of big men already and developing Aldridge should be a priority for the Blazers.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Artest and Garnett were mere speculations. There really wasn't any evidence of Mitch working his butt off to pull out a deal, something he's doing now for Jason Kidd. Anyways, sorry for my negativity. I just don't want it to be another situation where the Lakers let me down again</div> And this whole Jason Kidd thing isn't speculation? Regarding the evidence part, Artest showed up at a Lakers game last year, and then he even confirmed later on that he thought he was going to LA for sure. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting :</div><div class="quote_post">MrJ, do you have any idea of what you're talking about? The talks are a lot more serious than you think</div> Lol, what talks? You mean the rumors? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">the Nets don't have a better off on the table for Kidd</div> Lol, your kidding yourself if you think Rod Thorn can't get a better deal than Kwame, Farmar, and a couple of late picks. I could go on RealGM right now, and make a scenario involving the Warriors that is 5x better than anything the Lakers are going to offer. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Look at what Philly got for Iverson, a player at the end of his prime...they got peanuts.</div> That's because Iverson's trade demand was made public. Kidd has said nothing yet. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kidd has requested a trade to the Lakers</div> I doubt he has. It would be a lot more public if he did.
Guys, I'm not sure if we should go after Jason Kidd. I mean, all he will do is turn this franchise around 360 degrees
<div class="quote_poster">Bobcats Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">And this whole Jason Kidd thing isn't speculation? Regarding the evidence part, Artest showed up at a Lakers game last year, and then he even confirmed later on that he thought he was going to LA for sure. Lol, what talks? You mean the rumors? Lol, your kidding yourself if you think Rod Thorn can't get a better deal than Kwame, Farmar, and a couple of late picks. I could go on RealGM right now, and make a scenario involving the Warriors that is 5x better than anything the Lakers are going to offer. That's because Iverson's trade demand was made public. Kidd has said nothing yet. I doubt he has. It would be a lot more public if he did.</div> According to David Aldridge, Kidd has made the request, but he's not demanding a trade. However, if he were to be traded the Lakers are on top of his list. Kidd and New Jersey are going about it in a professional matter by keeping trying to keep it on the down low.
<div class="quote_poster">Brian Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Guys, I'm not sure if we should go after Jason Kidd. I mean, all he will do is turn this franchise around 360 degrees</div> lol. But if taken literally (360 degrees would be better than 180 degrees - because the Lakers current direction is pretty good). Just need Odom to continue to recover and hopefully become the early part of the season Odom or acquire a more aggressive second option.
<div class="quote_poster">Mamba Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Rumors have it that the trade has hit a snag due to draft picks...</div> Draft picks? So Mitch isn't willing to part ways with a couple of first rounders of Jason Kidd? That's just ridiculous. The package we're currently offering is basically nothing. Of course we're going to have to throw in a couple of first rounders to make it work
<div class="quote_poster">Mamba Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Rumors have it that the trade has hit a snag due to draft picks...</div> I really hope that's not true, draft picks are a crap shoot and if the Lakers make a move for Kidd, the franchise has to shift to win now, not later.
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I really hope that's not true, draft picks are a crap shoot and if the Lakers make a move for Kidd, the franchise has to shift to win now, not later.</div> What if the Nets were asking for 20 future first round picks. I would say no too
<div class="quote_poster">Brian Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">What if the Nets were asking for 20 future first round picks. I would say no too</div> You cannot give up more than two of your own first-rounders.
<div class="quote_poster">Brian Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">What if the Nets were asking for 20 future first round picks. I would say no too</div> Are you serious?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">New York Times - The New Jersey Nets are moving closer to trading star point guard Jason Kidd before Thursday's NBA trade deadline. The Los Angeles Lakers are the leading suitor but their offer may not be sufficient to finish the deal. According to three officials in the Eastern Conference who spoke to the New York Times on condition of anonymity, the Nets have been trying to involve at least one other team in the trade. And the Nets may be hoping that other teams that would like to acquire Kidd will beat the Lakers' package. The prevailing speculation is that big men Chris Mihm and Kwame Brown, point guard Jordan Farmar and a draft pick are the core pieces of the Lakers' offer. </div> http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/447..._to_kidd_trade/
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The prevailing speculation is that big men Chris Mihm and Kwame Brown, point guard Jordan Farmar and a draft pick are the core pieces of the Lakers' offer.</div> Damn dude, we're giving up a lot. I don't wanna give up Mihm AND Kwame, then we're just stuck with Bynum's slow, un-athletic ass. That won't get us closer to a championship at all. Damnit, there has to be another way.
I'll say this again. Age a factor? Definately. Kidd is aging at 34, but he can still D up, shoot, pass, and rebound better than most 1's in the NBA right now. Tell me I'm wrong! I say he has about three or four good years left before its time to call it quits. By that time, Kobe will be hitting his thirties, and if we haven't made it to the finals with Kobe and Kidd by that time, I doubt Kobe will be winning another title in LA. This might be our ticket home. Give up those draft picks, pull the trigger now! Its time to gamble Kupchak! Lets roll the dice!
