I see you guys are all for it. Of course, how often do you get a chance at landing a player like Kidd? He should be able to excel in LA, and he can get a ring there, and then I'm all for it as well.
<div class="quote_poster">illmatic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Damn dude, we're giving up a lot. I don't wanna give up Mihm AND Kwame, then we're just stuck with Bynum's slow, un-athletic ass. That won't get us closer to a championship at all. Damnit, there has to be another way.</div> Honestly, how is this a lot for what you will get in return. Mihm is injured for the whole season and Kwame hasn't played a game in 2007. Jordan Farmar is very expendable and what is the problem giving up a draft pick likely in the 20's? Jason Kidd is averaging close to a triple double and to top it all off he has won wherever he's gone. Do you honestly think Kidd isn't worth Kwame and Mihm?
Kidd really close... <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The New Jersey Nets are moving closer to trading star point guard Jason Kidd before Thursday's NBA trade deadline. The Los Angeles Lakers are the leading suitor but their offer may not be sufficient to finish the deal.</div> http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives..._to_kidd_trade/
<div class="quote_poster">illmatic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Damn dude, we're giving up a lot. I don't wanna give up Mihm AND Kwame, then we're just stuck with Bynum's slow, un-athletic ass. That won't get us closer to a championship at all. Damnit, there has to be another way.</div> The Lakers would also land Jason Collins in the deal, but they first need to workout a deal to trade for Jamaal Magloire. The injury to Radman could set everything back though, because he was probably going to be one of the players sent to Portland for Magloire. The Lakers would have roster space to add Penny and/or Pippen in this deal aswell.
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The Lakers would also land Jason Collins in the deal, but they first need to workout a deal to trade for Jamaal Magloire. The injury to Radman could set everything back though, because he was probably going to be one of the players sent to Portland for Magloire. The Lakers would have roster space to add Penny and/or Pippen in this deal aswell.</div> hmmm... good thinking... maybe we could involve the blazers and somehow acquire magloire and kidd by trading away kwame, mihm, farmar, mckie and picks plus i hear you! we'd have space to sign pippen lol
To Nets Fans: Why will this be good for the NETS? Well, if i were a net fan i would be really happy coz: -you already have a core (a really young core) in williams, jefferson and kristic -now if ever the trade for kidd's pusher through you will get a quality backup PG in farmar and 2 able bodied center's / PF's in mihm and kwame to support krstic... both of whom are 'quite' young and athletic... -plus you guys will have cap space and will be set for the up and coming draft which is said to be full of talent... Nets Lineup for Next Year: (W/o VC and Kidd) PG:Williams/Farmar SG:Adams / House / 1st round Draft pick SF: Jefferson / Nachbar (nachbar will be one of the best 6th men in the NBA) PF: Kwame / Robinson / Moore C: Krstic / Mihm / Moore That lineup is deep AND young plus it does not include all the picks the Nets are going to get If they arent satidfied with this then they can trade some picks and players for some quality vets or what not
The big hold up in the Kidd deal is the Lakers are refusing to take on Collins' contract. If this breaks the deal, I won't watch another game this seaon.
<div class="quote_poster">Mamba Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The big hold up in the Kidd deal is the Lakers are refusing to take on Collins' contract. If this breaks the deal, I won't watch another game this seaon.</div> There's so much disinformation out there with the details of this trade. This morning I heard the Lakers were trying to land Jason Collins in the deal because they are losing both Mihm and Kwame. They were trying to get Magloire to swap him for Collins. This tidbit you posted is the complete opposite. It's hard to sort through what's real and what isn't.
Geez, the Lakers really are sticklers in these trade talks. It seems every week another article comes out where they are lowering their offer. Maybe that article/thread someone posted up here a while ago about Mitch being inexperienced with mid-season trades is true. I can understand not including Bynum or Kobe, but everyone else should be considered fair game. Especially when you have a player of Kidd's calibre on the line and the lack of a distributor is so glaring on your team. People keep throwing up the age factor with Kidd, but you have to realize that (1) Kobe is in his prime now (2) Kidd is not a smaller, penetrating PG and doesn't age as fast (he's having a great season and looks to continue his play the next few years).
^I love you. I don't see why holding on to Lamar Odom is so special. He's not going to produce, even if we do get Kidd. If anything, he'll fade away even more because he won't be the dominant ball handler anymore.
<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Geez, the Lakers really are sticklers in these trade talks. It seems every week another article comes out where they are lowering their offer. Maybe that article/thread someone posted up here a while ago about Mitch being inexperienced with mid-season trades is true. I can understand not including Bynum or Kobe, but everyone else should be considered fair game. Especially when you have a player of Kidd's calibre on the line and the lack of a distributor is so glaring on your team. People keep throwing up the age factor with Kidd, but you have to realize that (1) Kobe is in his prime now (2) Kidd is not a smaller, penetrating PG and doesn't age as fast (he's having a great season and looks to continue his play the next few years).</div> It's possible the offers keep changing because of all the freak injuries the Lakers are experiencing. The 'Kobe is in his prime' really concerns me as a Laker fan. We don't really know what Kobe's window of opportunity is to win a title, maybe 4 to 5 more years of playing at his level? The franchise needs to do what it can to seize that opportunity.
Yea, I agree. Although I suppose you can take comfort in the fact that Kobe's shown a greater control over when to take over the game and when to get his teammates involved. If he continued to play like last season, we'd be seeing him break down a lot sooner. About the injuries, I would hope that Mitch is smart enough to not try and swing a major deal in response to all these injuries. I mean, Kobe is in his prime right now, but the window of oppurtunity isn't that small.
<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yea, I agree. Although I suppose you can take comfort in the fact that Kobe's shown a greater control over when to take over the game and when to get his teammates involved. If he continued to play like last season, we'd be seeing him break down a lot sooner. About the injuries, I would hope that Mitch is smart enough to not try and swing a major deal in response to all these injuries. I mean, Kobe is in his prime right now, but the window of oppurtunity isn't that small.</div> Well the fact the offers are getting lower, is a strong indication he's not in panic mode. All the details are just speculation right now. The only facts out there are the two teams are in discussion, Kidd favors joining the Lakers if traded, and the Lakers have interest in him. Got this from JasonPR at LG: From Ric Bucher per ESPN: <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">-says if kidd was the only one being moved it was a definited YES that kidd would be a Laker -was told earlier today that the only way they complete the deal is if carter is also moved. -theres already a deal in place sending Mihm to Portland.. Mags to Lakers..then a package of Mags and Kwame+fillers for Kidd -says both stars may end up in LA with different teams. -Clips is suitor for Carter but only if Livingston is involved. -Lakers is only team Pippen can go to</div> So the trade appears to be contingent on whether or not NJ can also deal Vince Carter. If that's true, it's a huge miscalculation on the Nets end IMO. They don't have any leverage with Vince Carter at this point, so why let him hold up a deal to improve the future of the team? The Nets are either going to have to pay $16M (if Vince doesn't opt out) next year, or get nothing back if he does opt out, but gain $16M in cap space. Gaining $16M in cap space is enough to replace Vince Carter's production.
Got this off of LG: <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rick Bucher:</div><div class="quote_post">-says if kidd was the only one being moved it was a definited YES that kidd would be a Laker -was told earlier today that the only way they complete the deal is if carter is also moved. -theres already a deal in place sending Mihm to Portland.. Mags to Lakers..then a package of Mags and Kwame+fillers for Kidd -says both stars may end up in LA with different teams. -Clips is suitor for Carter but only if Livingston is involved. -Lakers is only team Pippen can go to</div> The Clips won't give up Livingston for Carter, especially if there is no guarantee he'd resign. They wouldn't give him up for Iverson. Hell if they want to move both, throw in Odom, get this damn deal done.
<div class="quote_poster">Mamba Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Got this off of LG: The Clips won't give up Livingston for Carter, especially if there is no guarantee he'd resign. They wouldn't give him up for Iverson. Hell if they want to move both, throw in Odom, get this damn deal done.</div> The Clippers might, they aren't as high on Livingston like they were a few months ago when they had a shot at Iverson. In hindsight they probably regret not jumping on that deal and this gives them a do-over. If they can ship out some combination of Mobley, Tim Thomas, or Maggette along with Livingston for Carter, they might go for it. However, knowing the Lakers would land Kidd if Carter is moved, probably isn't in there best interest for the Clippers to pursue a deal for Carter.
<div class="quote_poster">Mamba Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Hell if they want to move both, throw in Odom, get this damn deal done.</div> I think the whole point of the deal is to get a Kobe-Kidd-Odom trio. With just Kobe and Kidd, we're still not close to being a contender, because we will have lost one of our best rebounders. Seeing how horrible our rebounding already is, losing Odom will only make it worse. Sure, Kidd is a great rebounder, but he doesn't make up the post presence Odom brings to the team.
<div class="quote_poster">Mamba Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The big hold up in the Kidd deal is the Lakers are refusing to take on Collins' contract. If this breaks the deal, I won't watch another game this seaon.</div> Ok I just found the source of this info, it was from a Chad Ford article from this morning with a collection of fabricated trade scenarios he came up with. He has terrible sources, so I don't think Collins is a hold up at all.
Would everyone be extremely let down if this trade doesn't come through? I would. Either way though, I have new found respect for Mitch Kupchak. At least the guy is doing something to try to improve our team
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The New York Times is reporting that the Nets are serious about moving Jason Kidd before Thursday's deadline, with Los Angeles being his most likely destination. As of Monday, however, Rod Thorn wasn't satisfied with the Laker offer. Beyond the team's poor record and Kidd's high salary, the Times reports Bruce Ratner is troubled by revelations in divorce filings by Kidd's wife Joumana. Meanwhile, Kidd denied lobbying for a trade, saying he wants to stay put.</div> <div class="quote_poster">Mercury Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">http://www.nj.com/nets/ledger/index.ssf?/b...0890.xml&coll=1</div> Mercury pointed out that Kidd says he wants to stay put in a thread from the Nets forum.
Well, Kidd doesn't really have any grudges against the Nets, so I don't think he will come out and say "I want to be a Laker." But yeah, we'll just have to wait and see.
