The Official Lottery/Draft Thread

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  1. Drake Remoray

    Drake Remoray JBB JustBBall Member

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    Why is Gerald Green 19(yrs. old) and still in Highschool? Is he in a prep school, or was he held back a grade?
     
  2. P.A.P.

    P.A.P. JBB Fresh Start

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    Maybe he's a dumbass...
     
  3. Drunkballer

    Drunkballer JBB JustBBall Member

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">Huh? Dwight Howard? Naw, the kid came into the league as a pose relgious Christian boy. He has the attitude every coach wants a young player to have...No attitude problems at all.</div>


    My bad, attitude was a poor word choice i should of been more specific. I heard an espn draft anylast's questioning his his work ethic and that he woold take play's off. The reason i used him as an example was because Taft is in a simaler situation alot of people say he's "Lazy."

    <a href="http://probasketball.about.com/cs/players/p/dwighthoward.htm" target="_blank">http://probasketball.about.com/cs/players/p/dwighthoward.htm </a> In the Hate section of this profile they question his dedication and intensity.

    anyway Howard turned out to work his ass off. Those guy's arn't always right.
     
  4. Zhone

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Drunkballer:</div><div class="quote_post">My bad, attitude was a poor word choice i should of been more specific. I heard an espn draft anylast's questioning his his work ethic and that he woold take play's off. The reason i used him as an example was because Taft is in a simaler situation alot of people say he's "Lazy."

    <a href="http://probasketball.about.com/cs/players/p/dwighthoward.htm" target="_blank">http://probasketball.about.com/cs/players/p/dwighthoward.htm </a> In the Hate section of this profile they question his dedication and intensity.

    anyway Howard turned out to work his ass off. Those guy's arn't always right.</div>

    A lot of times, they'll go to one or only a few games, over/psychoanalyze the player, and conclude that a player is lazy. With high schoolers it's hard, and some players just don't look aggresive or show much emotion. On the other hand, the NBA itself does some pretty extensive psychological testing and they usually know what they're getting (since they've learned from being burnt in the past.)
     
  5. Drunkballer

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    yeh, hopefuly the same happens for Chris Taft
     
  6. jbbCourtVision

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    ^The thing about Taft is that he is not regarded as the #1 prospect in the draft like Howard was. He is not even in the top 5. Why bother risking our pick when there will be similar talents with upsides available even at the 16th pick. Example: Granger, Warrick, Antoine Wright...any one of these 3 players could similar if not better numbers than Taft can at a cheaper pick to boot.
     
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    ^I don't know what hoopshype is smoking. Comparing Danny Granger to Joe Johnson? Raymond Felton to Baron Davis? Fran Vasquez to Keving Garnett? I know that these comparisons are not meant to be dead on but those are not even close whatsoever.
     
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    [​IMG], Felton to Baron Davis, that's a good one.
     
  10. Mr.Wade

    Mr.Wade JBB The Canadian Dream

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    Lets mak egood picks Babcock
     
  11. VinKanaddy

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Drunkballer:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't think our front court is crowded; were losing Donyelle who was the first off the bench and played 25.3 mpg, those minutes need to be replaced somewhere and Loren Woods ad Aaron Williams are not the answer. I just don't think Chris Bosh (37.2), Hoffa (12.5), Bonner(18.9), and Pape Sow (9.4) can carry the load for us downlow. We need a tweener who can fill the PF/C preferably a banger/rebounder.

    We don't have to pick Taft (excelent size and potential) that was just a suggestion, but the Raps front court needs help. Be it with our first pick(#7) or later one(#16,#38) or even free agency.</div>

    We got 4 picks actually,, 1st rounders #7 and #16 and 2nd rounders #38 and #58. It's true that we don't exactly have any bangers down low, but watching Pape Sow play near the end of the season made me a believer. He always looked to score inside and has that knack to crash the board. He'll work hard and beef up during the off-season, just like Chris Bosh will, and we will have two solid front court starters, even though they're not the tallest or the biggest as they come. 'Yell would most likely sign with some other team, but we got the Red Rocket. The only reason Yell played so much minute is because he was the 6th man off the bench and we didn't have anyone to play the centre. 'Yell has the ability to knock down treys, but so does Bonner. Yell has more experience, but Bonner has hustle. Yell might jump a tiny bit higher than Bonner, but Bonner is an inch taller. They both can't leap out of the gym. So all in all, I think Sow/Araujo and Bosh/Bonner rotation is going to work out.

    As for the draft picks, I'd love to see Babcock pick Gerald Green with the 7th pick and use the 16th to grab either Jarret Jack or Antoine Wright. Channing Frye looks good too, but I doubt New Jersey will let him go especially when they don't have any young bigs. 2nd rounders.. I guess Babcock is in Europe to look at some of the European prospects to pick with the two second round picks he has, but I'll be all for him if he grabs Nate Robinson (second coming of Spud Webb?? A 42" vertical and a 4.4 second 40-yard dash!!) with the 38th pick if he can't get his hands on Jarret Jack in the first round. He can also use the #38 to get a big. Erazem Lorbek looks good. I have no favs as for the #58 pick.. I just hope the Raps international scouts are even half as good as the Spurs' scouts. [​IMG]

    The roster will be like:

    C: Pape Sow
    PF: Chris Bosh
    SF: Jalen Rose / Gerald Green
    SG: Morris Peterson / Jalen Rose
    PG: Rafer Alston (Jay Williams?)

    6: Gerald Green / Jalen Rose
    7: Jay Williams(?) or Rafer Alston
    8: Matt Bonner
    9: Rafael Araujo
    10: Jarret Jack / Antoine Wright / Channel Frye (16th pick, whoever it is)
    11: Alvin Williams
    12: Nate Robinson / Erazem Lorbek (38th pick)

    13: Eric Williams
    14: Aaron Williams (if he stays) / (58th pick)
    15: Lamond Murray
     
  12. the_rap

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    I think the best scenario would be for us to pick Green with our #8 and then get May or Granger with our #16, Get Salim Stoudamire at #38 and finally use our #58 pick to get Julius Hodge.

    Our next year roster would look something like this:

    C: Pape Sow
    PF: Chris Bosh
    SF: Gerald Green
    SG: Morris Peterson
    PG: Rafer Alston

    6: Jalen Rose (The Microwave)
    7: Matt Bonner
    8: Rafael Araujo
    9: May/Granger
    10: Alvin Williams
    11: Salim Stoudamire
    12: Omar Cook?

    IR:Julius Hodge
    IR:Lamond Murray
    IR:Aaron Williams

    We get rid of Eric Williams, Woods and all our other scraps.
     
  13. Drunkballer

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting VinKanaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">We got 4 picks actually,, 1st rounders #7 and #16 and 2nd rounders #38 and #58. </div>
    Yeh i know we have 4 picks but i didn't mention #58 because its the 3rd last pick of the draft. It's basically like signing an undrafted free agent.
     
  14. Nasty

    Nasty JBB Sorry, I killed Fever

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    Man, the lottery is two weeks away. Getting goose bumbs!!

    Anyways, the more I see Rashad Mccants, the more impressed I am with his athletisism and basketball IQ.
    It'll be interesting if he's available at 16 will Babcock go with him or Jack. But I highly doubt he'd be available then. Whichever team snaps him with the Mid 1st rounder is getting a pretty good player.
     
  15. Dabigboshdog

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    let's be smart now and take felton and granger and let the other two be whoever
     
  16. XSV

    XSV JBB The Virve Dynasty

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting the_rap:</div><div class="quote_post">I think the best scenario would be for us to pick Green with our #8 and then get May or Granger with our #16, Get Salim Stoudamire at #38 and finally use our #58 pick to get Julius Hodge.

    Our next year roster would look something like this:

    C: Pape Sow
    PF: Chris Bosh
    SF: Gerald Green
    SG: Morris Peterson
    PG: Rafer Alston

    6: Jalen Rose (The Microwave)
    7: Matt Bonner
    8: Rafael Araujo
    9: May/Granger
    10: Alvin Williams
    11: Salim Stoudamire
    12: Omar Cook?

    IR:Julius Hodge
    IR:Lamond Murray
    IR:Aaron Williams

    We get rid of Eric Williams, Woods and all our other scraps.</div>

    When you say May I assume your not talkin about Sean May cuz he aint enterin. For the first pick, raps need a big guy like Marvin williams or channing Frye. Also if you think Salim isnt goin till 38, you're crazy. the guy would be a steal late first round, and i wouldnt be surprised if he got picked up mid first round
     
  17. Voodoo Child

    Voodoo Child Can I Kick It?

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting virve119:</div><div class="quote_post">When you say May I assume your not talkin about Sean May cuz he aint enterin. For the first pick, raps need a big guy like Marvin williams or channing Frye. Also if you think Salim isnt goin till 38, you're crazy. the guy would be a steal late first round, and i wouldnt be surprised if he got picked up mid first round</div>

    First of all, Sean May isn't entering? That's news to me. He held a press conference a few weeks ago to declare his intentions to test the NBA Draft. Second of all, why would you think that Marvin Williams is a big guy, and why would you think he'd be available at #8 for the Raptors? As for Salim Stoudamire, his stock could easily fall to the mid-second round. In fact, right now he's only projected in the late first to early second. Odds are he goes somewhere between picks #25-40, which means #38 is certainly not a stretch for him.
     
  18. the_rap

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting virve119:</div><div class="quote_post">When you say May I assume your not talkin about Sean May cuz he aint enterin. For the first pick, raps need a big guy like Marvin williams or channing Frye. Also if you think Salim isnt goin till 38, you're crazy. the guy would be a steal late first round, and i wouldnt be surprised if he got picked up mid first round</div>

    I am talking about Sean May, he is entering the draft. Go check out NBADRAFT.net. And like Voodoo Child said, he even declared that he was entering the draft. And everything else you said about Salim was false too, he can go easily to us. Thanks for backing me up Voodoo Child.
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  19. VinKanaddy

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Drunkballer:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeh i know we have 4 picks but i didn't mention #58 because its the 3rd last pick of the draft. It's basically like signing an undrafted free agent.</div>

    Yea, but look what the Spurs did with their second round picks in their championship year. A pick is a pick given that thorough scouting has been done on the potential player(s). You could pick a total bust with the 1st pick overall, but you could also steal a sleeper late in the second round.
     
  20. Drunkballer

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting VinKanaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">Yea, but look what the Spurs did with their second round picks in their championship year. A pick is a pick given that thorough scouting has been done on the potential player(s). You could pick a total bust with the 1st pick overall, but you could also steal a sleeper late in the second round.</div>

    Between the 2004 nba draft and the 1991 (14 years) only 2 players who have been picked in the last 3 slots have made a contribution to the NBA: Emmanuel Ginobili and Zeljko Rebraca Total Picks = 42 . Between 2004 and 1991 # 1 Picks: Dwight Howard, Lebron James(ROY), Yao, Kwame (?), Kenyon Martin, Elton Brand(ROY), Olowakandi (?), Tim Duncan (ROY), A.I (R0Y), Joe Smith (?), Big Dog, Webber(ROY), Shaq (ROY), Larry Johnson (ROY) Alot of them are superstars, and all of them have contributed to the NBA. Total Picks = 14.

    Anyway more to the point is that you can have just as much success (if not more) signing an undrafted Free Agent: Ben Wallace, Brad Miller, Udonis Haslem, Chucky Atkins, Carlos Arroyo, Bruce Bowen, Reggie Evans, Earl Boykins, Raja Bell, Damon Jones to name a few.

    All im saying is the 58th overall pick is worth practically nothing.
     

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