If Granger played for Duke or North Carolina he'd be playing in the ACC, and you have better compettion to compare him against. However, he plays in the Mountain West a decent conference but still only a mid major. I don't by the "if he played for that team" argument. Personally i think #7 is reaching and the Raptors could do better than granger with that pick. I think antoine wright is a better prospect than granger at the Sf/SG position. I can't see either Granger or Wright going top 10 unless one of the europeans falls out.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post">Granger's stock is pretty high right now (and rightly so). Like you said, teams want a safe pick, and barring injuries, Granger is a pretty safe. He brings it all to the table: athletecism, defense, shot blocking, perimeter shooting, etc. I said before that if Granger played on North Carolina or Duke and teams weren't scared by that "injury prone" label, then Granger would be a top three pick, and I still stand by that. With that said, I don't think the Raptors will be able to take Granger anywhere else but where they are with the #7 pick, because the Warriors who have the #9 pick are also in contention for Granger. So you'll lose Granger to the Warriors by trading down, unless you trade to #8, which doesn't make much sense.</div> You might have a point, and if indeed Warriors are interested at the #9 i say take Granger. I dont agree that Wright is on the same level has Granger, I think he has the potential to be the win rookie of the year and is a relatively safe bet to be top 3 or 4 from this draft class 5 years from now. Hey Babs, If Granger is in trouble to go before the 16th and we cant trade down with that pick to get him DRAFT THE KID 7TH! Then take either Mccants or Jack with the 16th. If you draft a Euro or any PF or C with either pick i'm going to use your drive way has a driving range. lol.... j/k babs DO IT!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Drunkballer:</div><div class="quote_post">If Granger played for Duke or North Carolina he'd be playing in the ACC, and you have better compettion to compare him against. However, he plays in the Mountain West a decent conference but still only a mid major. I don't by the "if he played for that team" argument. Personally i think #7 is reaching and the Raptors could do better than granger with that pick. I think antoine wright is a better prospect than granger at the Sf/SG position. I can't see either Granger or Wright going top 10 unless one of the europeans falls out.</div> Oh really? He'd be playing in the ACC? I didn't know that. You're cutting the Mountain West Conference short. In case you hadn't noticed, the potential #1 pick overall in the draft hails from the Mountain West Conference. Also, you must have missed New Mexico's game against Wake Forest this season. Danny Granger had 24 points, 9 rebounds, and 4 blocks, including one of the best packs I've ever seen in my life on a fastbreak on Chris Paul. Granger also recorded a double-double (15pts, 12rbs) in New Mexico's first round matchup with Villanova. Not convinced yet? Take a look at some of his performances against other draft prospects. Against San Diego State's Marcus Slaughter who is a first round bubble pick, Granger had 22 points, 14 rebounds, and 5 blocks. Against Tennessee he recorded 20 points, 3 blocks, and 3 steals. Against Bogut's Utah, he had 28 points and 11 rebounds. As a Junior against Wake Forest, he had 19 points and 12 rebounds. As a Junior against a Colorado who had three pro prospects, Granger had 30 points and 14 rebounds. As a Junior against Araujo's BYU, he recorded 27 points, 8 rebounds, and 6 blocks. So with all of those statistics against great teams, why the hell wouldn't he succeed in the ACC? Clemson and Miami too hard for him?
As I've said before I definately think that the Raptors should take Granger with the 7th. He's a proven commodity. You can't guess at production...it is what it is. Potential is hit and miss also do we want to wait for 3 or more years for potential to realize itself? It's not like the raps have a bad offense, we can score points with just about anyone, or real problem last year lay in defense. Granger could provide that, plus he has tools to put up numbers too. The more I hear about this guy the more hopeful I am that we pick him up.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post">Oh really? He'd be playing in the ACC? I didn't know that. You're cutting the Mountain West Conference short. In case you hadn't noticed, the potential #1 pick overall in the draft hails from the Mountain West Conference. Also, you must have missed New Mexico's game against Wake Forest this season. Danny Granger had 24 points, 9 rebounds, and 4 blocks, including one of the best packs I've ever seen in my life on a fastbreak on Chris Paul. Granger also recorded a double-double (15pts, 12rbs) in New Mexico's first round matchup with Villanova. Not convinced yet? Take a look at some of his performances against other draft prospects. Against San Diego State's Marcus Slaughter who is a first round bubble pick, Granger had 22 points, 14 rebounds, and 5 blocks. Against Tennessee he recorded 20 points, 3 blocks, and 3 steals. Against Bogut's Utah, he had 28 points and 11 rebounds. As a Junior against Wake Forest, he had 19 points and 12 rebounds. As a Junior against a Colorado who had three pro prospects, Granger had 30 points and 14 rebounds. As a Junior against Araujo's BYU, he recorded 27 points, 8 rebounds, and 6 blocks. So with all of those statistics against great teams, why the hell wouldn't he succeed in the ACC? Clemson I dind't sayand Miami too hard for him?</div> Im cutting the Mountain west short(I said it was a mid major)? off the top of my head I can name 5 conferences that are better and deeper than it: Big Ten, Big East, Pac 10, Acc, Sec. You could also make arguments for Conference USA, the big 12 As for the stats you mentioned in his 3 games(v.s big east and acc) against wake(2) and villanova he shot a combined 15-47 from the field well off his regular shoting percentage. Could this be due to the better defense in the major conferences? As for his games against Araujo and Bogut? since neither of them play some position i think its irrelevant to compare there games against each other. Neither Bogut or Araujo can be expected take there check and shut down the opposing teams best player aswell. And when did araujo become such a defensive force? Stats can be manipulated anyway we want, yes Granger has had some good games (Colorado being one of them) but V.S Colorado state(11-17) he shot 3-14 scoring 11pts. Since 2000, 2 mountain west players have been picked in the top 15 Marcus Banks(UNLV) and Hoffa both are considered poor draft picks, both had excellent seasons statistically. as for the "why the hell can't he succeed in the ACC comment?" i never said he couldn't(you just ad libed that), what i was alluding to was that he wouldn't have the same stats. His stats are inflated becuase he plays in an infererior conference. My ultimate point is that Granger at #7 is to early a pick for the Raptors. They can do better. I'd be happy though if they got him at 16.
So who would you draft with #7??? found this link http://www.sportsline.com/nba/story/8506494 it has us picking up Green with the 7 and Granger with the 16. That would be sweet! Will it happen? Doubt it. If Granger is a reach at 7 then he'll be gong by 10 to 12. I don't see that being a reach if he is gone that soon after.
Unfortunately, Green looks like he'll go higher, at 5th or 6th. As much as I like what's being said about him on paper, I wouldn't want him for the Raptors because of his attitude problems. With the 7th pick, we can get either Raymond Felton or Martell Webster, and use the 16th pick to grab Danny Granger if he's still around, and if he's not, grab Rashad McCants or trade down and get Jarret Jack. Best possible scenarios: 7th: Martell Webster; 16th: Danny Granger 7th: Martell Webster; 16th: Rashad McCants 7th: Raymond Felton; 16th: Danny Granger 7th: Raymond Felton; 16th: Rashad McCants (NC's starting backcourt) 7th: Martell Webster / Raymond Felton; Trade Down: Jarret Jack
^ Out of all of those scenerios, the last scenerio seems like the best one to me (Webster/Jack...Felton won't fall to 16). Having Granger and Webster would be amazing, but Granger won't fall low like that.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">^ Out of all of those scenerios, the last scenerio seems like the best one to me (Webster/Jack...Felton won't fall to 16). Having Granger and Webster would be amazing, but Granger won't fall low like that.</div> Yea, I meant either Webster or Felton with the 7th and get Jack by trading down. Or we could trade down the 7th pick for two 10th ~ 20th pick and grab Granger with the higher pick and also get Webster with the lower pick. The possibilities are endless!
I'll take Granger over Webster for the Raptors needs...7th pick is just fine for Granger, its not like he's Araujo. Lowest most intelligent people think Granger will fall is low teens, very latest 14 to minny. With this draft class all the picks are so close to eachother its not apples and oranges between 5 or even 10 spots, its apples vs. different shaped apples. Trade down and take Granger at 10th, or just straight up take Granger at 7th i'm happy. If we could come out somehow with both Felton and Granger i'd be soo wet.
I'm hoping for 7th - Granger/16th - Jack. However, knowing Babcock, we'll probably get something more like 7th - Channing Frye/16th - Fransisco Garcia.
have you all seen the new www.draftcity.com mock draft??? It has us drafting Antoine Wright at 7 and Ukic at 16. What do you think about that? Don't know that much about Ukic but the write up sounded pretty good. We would have a solid backcourt then. Ukic could back up Skip and Alvin and maybe play a little SG as it says he can guard them (in the Euro league) anyways....But I like Wright, maybe a little bit of a reach at 7 but then it's like 02civic said, we're picking different shaped apples at this point not different apples. I still like Granger over Wright but would be happy with either. If we do draft someone like UKic it would allow us the flexability to attempt to trade Skip if he and Mitchell still don't get along next season.
Right now, it looks nearly impossible that we'll be able to grab Green with our 7th pick, unless we trade up. However, I talked to a couple of people from Georgia Tech and they told me that the Hawks are EXTREMELY high on Deron Williams and could very well trade down with the Hornets and grab him with the 4th (Because it looks like Nash is going to draft Green with the 3rd).
Check out this link http://www.draftcity.com/viewprofile.php?p=26 or if that doesn't work the mock draft that they have there at draftcity. You have the internet! how hard is it to look it up. As for Jack from all the noise out there right now it sounds like IF Phil Jackson resigns to coach the lakers again that he wants Jack. Meaning that Jack will be gone by 16. From the amount of different sites saying this there has to be some truth to the rumours. That and a looot of the new mocks have him going to the Lakers at 10.
I was wondering what everyone thinks of this. I was rolling it around in my head and I can't figure out whether I like the idea or not. So let's hear what you all think..... Toronto 7th and 16th picks
whoops sorry bout that what do you think about trading up? We could then land Marvin Williams who has STAR written all over him. I think it could be giving up quite a bit considering how many other spots we need to improve, but if he lives up to the hype we would then have two bonafide all-stars in Bosh and Williams. Still don't know if I like it or not or whether or not Atlanta would take it. But if would allow for Atlanta to solve more problems. They could still pick up an point guard and a centre both of which are big needs for them. Toronto: 7th and 16th picks to Atlanta: 2nd pick
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jones:</div><div class="quote_post"> Toronto: 7th and 16th picks to Atlanta: 2nd pick</div> I don't think something like that would ever happen.....
