Politics The Postal Service, Voting, and Covid

Well, we are kind of going in a different direction and really don;t see enough time to set up an online voting system that's secure and readily available for all. As long as the post office is stopped being fucked with by trump, mail in voting seems to be our best alternative to allow everyone to vote and be as safe as possible. That's all I am looking for, well that and trump getting his ass kicked in November.

 

The reality is I realize the electronic voting isn't anywhere close to being ready. I think mail-in is 'probably' a good option, though I have some reservations just because I have 0 trust for Democrats or Republicans (as parties, not individuals), I fully expect this election to be fake and wrought with cheating. So yeah I think this is a bad time to dismantle the USPS. I am just saying my preferred method would be for electronic voting, I think it would by far be the easiest method especially as more and more people get devices and the internet and is long term a better option even with the security issues it could have. I think parts of the USPS should/could be privatized effectively, I think it still provides a decent service for some people. Though honestly from my POV very little seems to come our way from the USPS seems like it's almost entirely FedEx, and we really don't get much paper mail these days, that's anecdotal and I'm sure some people still rely on it.
So no I am not in favor of what's happened, especially right now, with how volatile things are and how ill-prepared we are for what's going on in this country, I am not happy with these decisions.
I am simply giving an alternate option to mail-in ballots going forward.

 

Even in rural areas post office delivers and picks up. In poor areas. In assisted living facilities. Everywhere. A very democratic institution.

 

There are multiple states where the result is not known on election night. In fact. the Constitution says nothing about when the counting has to end. Getting the results a little late from all the states rather than a few of the states won't affect things much. By the way, did you know that we've been using mail-in voting in Oregon for the last 20 years and our results have been pretty quick.
I can see no logical reason not to use it plus we have the proven results from numerous states to prove inductively that mail-in voting works without killing anyone from the needless exposure to Covid-19.

 

How many times has anyone voted 100 times? Zero?

 

Covid -19 death is more like 4% of the infected rate. Still, not a lot according to Trump. Hey, it's only 170,000 Americans. More than died in Korea and WWI combined. More than twice as many as we lost in Vietnam.

 

There are a lot of disabled people ...some from war wounds who live in rural areas and rely on a mailbox to get meds and all sorts of things they need and many cannot drive to a wireless hotspot or even walk ...I think the travel to vote option is a bullshit idea...with a few miles of my place there are a few dozen homesteads with mailboxes...one person brings all their mail...not 24 people driving to the library or post office to get a gift coupon from Fred meyers....the whole idea that everyone has all this technology and access or even wireless access is not reasonable

 

6% of the united states (that includes kids who aren't eligible to vote) don't have access to broadband. It's going to be everywhere eventually. The idea that technology isn't everywhere (because it is) is also just not reality. There are over 10 billion smartphones (alone) in use today. That's more than the population of the planet. Also broadband isn't the only form of data, out in the country a lot of people have dishes that provide internet for people. The idea that meds and all those things can only be brought to you by the USPS is also, just not true. My parents have meds delivered by UPS so I know they're capable...
Again it would be a fraction of people who would have to travel at all even today w/ electronic voting.

 

Which party have you seen doing voter suppression and which party emphasises all people need to get out and vote? I'll answer it for you. 1st is the republicans and second is the democrats. trump keeps calling mail in fraudulent. It really isn't that hard to see and I was never a democrat as I have always been an independent, but I see shit I don't like and choose the side I feel is more trustworthy. You keep pointing the finger at all as if they are all equally corrupt. I don't see it in todays parties.

 

Where are you getting the 6%? Here's an interesting article I found.

https://www.businessinsider.com/ame...ss-likely-underestimated-by-government-2020-3

Do you remember the last election for Governor in Georgia where they closed some polling stations in minority areas and voters in that area would have to take a bus and from what I recall the next polling station was like 25 miles away and majority didn't have transportation. Kemp was the Attorney General for that state and was running for governor and made that decision to close those polling stations.

 

https://www.fcc.gov/reports-research/reports/broadband-progress-reports/eighth-broadband-progress-report#:~:text=Notwithstanding this progress, the Report,broadband service at threshold speeds.

Edit: A lot of people don't have it by choice, they have "access" to providers and don't get it.

 

You can answer whatever you want for me, but I don't trust Republicans or Democrats and absolutely nothing they have done over the last 8ish years has done anything to make me feel otherwise. It's just made me feel more that way. I will not vote for them, they have sold us all out to China and Russia (and others), we are all just pawns to the elites. I see stuff I really don't like about all of them. Whether it's "equal" or not doesn't matter to me. It's just two 'evils', I don't care if one might be nice enough to stab me in the back and the other one will do it from in front.

 

and that's exactly what my article was addressing is that the government (whether intentional or not) are under reporting the amount of access people have to internet. Your article also states that the number jumps to 25% in rural areas. That's a significant number. Anyway, vote by internet isn't even a realistic option for this election anyway and this administration should be doing everything they can to make sure voting is safe and accessible to all and that's what mail in voting accomplishes. If it fails, then we have a history, but the little history we have had with states that have been doing vote by mail (Oregon for one) for several years with no major issues. I'm not even advocating that this is a permanent solution, but with a covid virus staring us all in the face we need to do everything we can to make it safe for this election and voting by mail accomplishes that the best way.

 

My meds, eyeglasses, bills, etc all come through the mailbox....when I was caring for disabled people theirs did too....another glitch with electronic voting is one big windstorm can knock power out in rural areas for long stretches...when access is everywhere and they have an accessable system...sure...change the system when there isn't an election and test it out...but don't do this 3 months before a presidential election....that is just really, really suspect...and the mail isn't a big deal to fund...we bail out wall street, banks, auto dealers, even farmers got 18 billion after the trade war...infrastructure spending to keep people already social distancing at home is a no brainer to me. Next thing we'll have to have a monthly fee to join the firefighters private service or the house can just burn...going after people already struggling is the wrong move in the summer of 2020

 

I literally said as much... So... This is exactly what I posted.
The reality is I realize the electronic voting isn't anywhere close to being ready. I think mail-in is 'probably' a good option, though I have some reservations just because I have 0 trust for Democrats or Republicans (as parties, not individuals), I fully expect this election to be fake and wrought with cheating. So yeah I think this is a bad time to dismantle the USPS. I am just saying my preferred method would be for electronic voting, I think it would by far be the easiest method especially as more and more people get devices and the internet and is long term a better option even with the security issues it could have. I think parts of the USPS should/could be privatized effectively, I think it still provides a decent service for some people. Though honestly from my POV very little seems to come our way from the USPS seems like it's almost entirely FedEx, and we really don't get much paper mail these days, that's anecdotal and I'm sure some people still rely on it.
So no I am not in favor of what's happened, especially right now, with how volatile things are and how ill-prepared we are for what's going on in this country, I am not happy with these decisions.
I am simply giving an alternate option to mail-in ballots going forward.

 

All true except Kemp was secretary of state, in charge of election where he was candidate.

 

what difference does that make this November? We have the systems we have and right now, the R's are doing everything in their power to monkey-wrench the election. Everybody knows it. Talking about a theoretical voting system that could be in place a decade from now is pointless right now. There's an election in 10 weeks.

We need to be doing everything we can to make sure that everybody who wants to vote this November, and is eligible to vote, can vote. And all I'm seeing from you is indirect resistance to that principle or distraction from it...sorry

and by the way, your ideas, if they could expand legal voting, will go absolutely nowhere if the R's are in power. They want to restrict voting, not make it fairer, safer, and widely available

 

it's happening all over the country....trump is killing the postal service:



https://www.oregonlive.com/news/202...d-and-eugene-cites-declining-mail-volume.html





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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/13/donald-trump-usps-post-office-election-funding

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LOL...."just routine actions"

 

Never resisted it.


Just offered a suggestion as to how I think the future of voting should look like. Also during covid or a pandemic thats transferable in a similar way, I think my suggestion would work better than mail in, or in person.

What are any of our posts here gonna do to make it so that, people can vote easier? Lol

Edit Im not sure how the penguin got there but Im leaving it, cause he looks neat lol