clippers, bucks & mavs too and of course non playoff teams whether all these teams can pull it off, thats whole other topic, but they do need a good center
I think the point is that the Lakers are highly unlikely to be in a situation where they could. To say someone would do something they can't do doesn't mean much. I would be willing to bet Nurk isn't making $20m next year. If 5 teams think he's worth that, taking the other side of that bet would be smart because it only takes one team to actually be willing to pay him that much.
Got any trade ideas we could make with either of the 3 teams that both sides would do so they could obtain Nurks bird rights and he could get his big deal? I took a quick glance, but nothing jumped out at me.
Bam, Gobert, Ayton, Capela, Allen, Mobly, Embiid, Vuc, Jokic, Holmes, KAT, Turner (and Sabonis, but not technically a center), and Jonas Val are all more valuable than Nurk at the moment. Comparison: McGee averages 15 min and gives you 10 and 7 for 5 mil/year. IMHO Nurk's next contract will be like 5 mil/year. Al Horford is just on a brutal contract for Boston for what he delivers. Talk about paying CJ a lot... Nurk is a good passer (at times a brilliant one, smh kind of passes) and defender, and can usually score when iso on a smaller guy. He is good at exploiting a weak defender but if help comes, he is frequently stripped of the ball. He's also slow, injury prone, weak finisher for his size (compare how he finishes to someone like Zion---godlike), no jumpshot, terrible ball handling, he should NEVER dribble. period.
im really no into "gm" thing, but clippers could send zubac to portland and i dont know if they would need to add more salary, but zubac would work in portland as a role player and hes cheap clippers get better player in nurk, blazers get a player who would be happy with his role and would earn less money than nurk, maybe a lot less, depending on nurks next contract im not sure doncic & porzingis work, it seems like nurk would be better fit with doncic, sometimes fit matter more than quality itself and im not even sure porzingis is better player than nurk right know and even if he is, its by a small margin
I’d rather have Zubac than Nurk. Consistent high effort role player who isn’t under the illusion he’s a star or who gets intimidated by smaller players.
this is my thing about Nurk. Dude is not reliable (partly not his fault) due to injuries and stupid fouls. Hopefully I’ll never have to see Nurk foul out of a playoff game, with 4 of the 6 fouls being dumb and needless. I can’t take it anymore.
hassan whiteside averaged 15/13 in portland and got minimum contract andre drummond too, sometimes numbers dont mean literally nothing nurk is not that type of player, nurk can actually make an impact and thats why he wont get less money that hes earning right now, let alone get a minimum contact
If we can get a Kyle Kuzma, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Montrezl Harrell, and a 1st for Nurk, I would be happy to do so. Looking at the Lakers contracts, they don't have a lot of offer for Nurk. THT, fillers, and a 1st is the most likely scenario. I don't see the Lakers willing to give up that much.
Clippers would have to add more salary along with Zubac I believe. If the Clippers wanted to do that deal, I would do it.
They're not trading with us ....if we move Nurk and Roco at the deadline I'd guess it would be the Pacers or Hawks
Here's an idea? Let's see what other teams offer him and make a decision from that? That always works out great!
Sabonis is better. Christian Wood and Jarrett Allen are young guys with lots of upside. I'd prefer Myles Turner to Nurkic as well
You think either of those teams would give him $20m/year? I'm guessing you can see my point of how narrow of a path he has to getting that type of money. Not that it's impossible, just complicated.
Hard to imagine the handful of teams with cap space will want to burn a big chunk of it on Nurk. After that, we're competing with teams who can only over the MLE.
Gliding past the logic of "if you give him another couple of shots, he gets an extra rebound" (is it a rebound of his own miss?), how is 17/9/3 (in a 10-game sample no less) supposed to be so remarkable that Portland or some other team should pay a ton for it? 17/9/3 is solid for a complimentary player. If it came with durability, a good three-point shot and versatility on the defensive end, I could understand his price being high. But secondary scoring, solid rebounding and slow-footed rim protection does not write your own ticket in the NBA today.
Assuming they get under the cap this year, I'd also contend using bird-rights to go over the MLE into the cap (say 12-15M) for him as he has played so far this year is reasonable. Structure it as a 3 year deal with a player option, gives him another shot for the big one, provides stability through Dame, and possibly moveable. Biggest concern would be if he takes his chances on a couple of 1 year deals to try for a big payday. Probably a gamble he would regret, but I can see him betting on himself. [Edit: To clarify, he isn't sacrosanct, and if you can upgrade, you entertain it, but I don't think he is in "fire sale before free agency" territory either]
Nurk is playing better of late. But Circus Nurk, and all the non sensical flip shots has to go. He needs to Dunk the Damn ball. He's letting smaller players alter his shots too easily. He's 6-11, but plays like he's 5-8 too often. Plus his blocks are down. I love Nurk, but question whether he can change these frustrating traits. I don't see him getting more than 10 to 15 mil. on the high side if he doesn't improve. I really love Nurk, but he's a bit of an enigma. He missed 6 point blank shots against the Warriors. That can't happen , especially to an undersized team. Those misses were game changers, in a game devoid of all but one of our best shooters.
Nurk would be widely considered a top 5 center if it wasn't for one key issue: availability. Over his career, the majority of the game he's sitting on the bench. A number of the seasons, he's missing a lot of games to injury. He's basically Arvydas Sabonis Lite -- a really good center for the minutes you get him, when you can get him. I loved Sabas, but he wasn't a guy we could build around for the same reason you can't build around Nurk. (And Sabas was a far superior center to Nurk.) Your best paid players need to be on the court for 30-35 minutes/night, most nights and in the playoffs. And as for the playoffs: That's all the action he's ever seen in the playoffs. Those are decent stats, but he's helped us win 3 playoff games in 6 seasons here. He's never been out of the first round. We had far more success with Enes Kanter Freedom as our starting center, winning 8 games in one season. Here are Kanter's numbers by comparison: Now obviously Nurk is a better center. I'm just pointing out that there's at least as much body of evidence that Kanter is likely to help you win a playoff series as Nurk. I'd like to re-sign him to a reasonable deal, but I suspect my idea of reasonable isn't anywhere close to his.
