With his attitude and confidence in himself, he probably would be pissed off if he only got a 10 million offer from us and would sign for the MLE elsewhere. It wouldn't surprise me if he wants us to sign him for a premium to stay. Even at 15 million a year, would we want him?
$15 million is the tough number, IMO. Below that, I think you (as Portland) definitely bring him back. Above that, you let him go. Around that number, I think it's probably a bit more than he's worth but being over the cap, it's hard to re-invest the savings, so maybe you prefer to get a useful player back, even at a high-end price point. I think I'd lean to bringing him back at $15M per year. He's still a tradeable contract at that price, and so you have more assets to use in a trade. Funny enough, I think the Lakers would be a good fit for him--Davis is their best center, but he doesn't want to play center. Vogel has always been a proponent of two bigs and likes the old school rim protector type. Plus, right now, their best non-Davis centers are aging mediocrities. The problem is, what does LA have that they'd trade and Portland would want? I don't think they'd trade Horton-Tucker and Portland would have no real replacement for Nurkic anyway if they did that. They'd have to be giving up on the season, which I don't think they're ready to do. But the point more is--there are teams who would still value Nurkic even if his playing style isn't a perfect fit for current schemes.
according to some of you, norm is worth 18 per year, but nurk isnt, not even close in which universe is norm better player than nurk
I initially stated Nurk should get Norm money and a Norm contract....I think it's what he deserves myself if we keep him. I don't feel a great need to move Nurk unless he wants to overvalue himself and move on....we paid him for 2 seasons after his leg fell off to waive a towel so I think Nurk should accept a reasonable deal...Evan Turner money, Norm money....otherwise it's easy to find a vet center for 5 million and change...pretty much what we paid Enes...with CJ on the books there's not a huge chunk of change for Nurk left over
It is the position he plays. Nurk is not a pillar of a winning franchise. Centers that are playable, and worth decent roles are getting paid minimum deals. You can get much more value for centers with lower deals than you generally can for a minimum shooting guard (ben mclemore is an example). Lets not forget Nurk is also more fragile than Powell historically has been in his career. Thay comes into play when you are throwing money at someone. Maybe doctors check him out and have no concerns.
you realise thats one team and one that has historically all-time great shooters and which playing style was perimeter oriented nurk was not important part of our offense last season as we were also perimeter oriented team, shooting threes until their arms fall off, but weve seen this season what nurk can do when he gets the ball down low
Play 24 minutes per game and lead us to a below .500 record? I know there are multiple reasons why we are below .500 and Nurkic is not fully to blame. But, still. Not interested in overpaying for someone too much that would get MLE offers on the open market.
two or three, nurk is still the better player however, we can discuss who is the better fit, depending on how this team is going to play
look, andre drummond got 5/127 in 2016 and hassan whiteside got 4/98 the same year, now theyre both on minimum contracts the game hasnt changed in these 5 years, it exactly the same, but drummond and whiteside have changed, thats why theyre earning as much as theyre earning now jonas valanciunas signed 4/64 in 2016, 3/45 in 2019, 2/30 in 2021 steven adams signed 4/100 in 2016 and 2/35 in 2020 nikola vucevic signed 4/100 in 2019 clint capela signed 5/90 in 2018 myles turner signed 4/80 in 2019 looking at these contracts, there is literally no way that nurk is not worth at least 4/70, but the blazers can say to nurk: "look, there is no market for you, teams have no money available, were gonna give you 4/40, take it or leave it", which is exactly what happened in 2017 when they gave him 4/48 according to me, but if were speaking how much money nurk deserves, he deserves at least 4/70...
He deserves what the market is willing to pay him. Just because other teams may have given bad contracts once upon a time has nothing to do with what we should give him.
you can look at the market and give nurk contact based on that or you can pay him the money he deserves sure, its good business decision to pay a lot less money that what certain player is worth, but its also not fair, after all, its not players fault that teams have no cap space
That's how teams get in cap hell. Overpaying players based on feelings and not what the market dictates.
you say those are bad contracts, their teams obviously dont think so and youd probably like to see players play for free what if dame was becoming free agent and demanding max contract and no other team in the league could give him one, would you still give him max contract or would you underpay him a lot (market and stuff, you know)
They had way better players than us. The point is, Nurk is a role player. Could he be on a nba championship team? Absolutely. But not as a top 3 player. No way.
there are bad contacts of course, but not every contract on a team is bad , you pay what you think player is worth, simple as that there are certain situations when players ask for more money than they are worth and you just have to overpay them in order not to lose them or situations like this one, when player is worth more than he can get in the market im hoping nurk wont sign another cheap contract, if he gets one from the blazers, just tell them to fuck off and leave in free agency
When was the best player on an NBA championship team a Center last? Shaq? Who are the best teams in the league this year and where does their center rank within their roster? We already talked about the Warriors. The Suns have a more mobile center than Nurk and he is probably #4 in their rotation behind CP3, Booker, Bridges, On the Jazz, Gobert, which is a much much better center than Nurk is #2 in their rotation - but he is a defensive player of the year that anchors one of the best defenses in the league, The Nets have LMA and Claxton as their centers - even without Kyrie they are at most the 5th or 6th most important player on the roster. Traditional centers are not that important in the modern NBA. Especially centers that are not fast enough to switch on perimeter players. You have to be super switchable (like Bam) or be very dominant offensively, like Jokic which runs your entire offense or Embiid which can dominate on the block. This is the modern NBA, and the only reason Nurk is that important to the Blazers is because they went super small with 2 minus defenders in the back-court. If you fix that - he is even less important. Even with this problematic roster construction he was only played about 24 minutes a game - you just can't keep him longer on the court between conditioning and speed. There are currently 9 centers in the NBA that make $18m+ a year, there are 17 shooting guards that make $18 or more, 17 small forwards that make $18m or more (for the record, Norm makes $15.5m this year, $16.7m next year and will hit $18m in 2023/2024 - he will average about $18,/year for the contract, but at the moment, he is not making that much).
