<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post"> Wow someone really has no clue about AI, calling him a poor man's Gerald Wallace is pure insanity.</div> so how many points do u think the genetic freak is going to average? i say 7ppg, 4 boards and 22 minutes a game.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Comparing teams like that means nothing though, their's many othr factors, the bench, chemistry, style of play, all those things come into play, and team defense too, you can't just have one on one comparison's all over. </div> I would of done that if possible, but it really is not because they're both going to have new systems with new coaches.
Raptors competition Boston has young talent in Al Jefferson and Marcus Banks that can be used right away to contribute to the success of there team.Paul Pierce is proven, he has great all around game and IMO I think he wins the comparison with VC. While Tony Allen and Delonte West are projects but Allen can play really good D so he's gonna be good and a decent contributor.If Chucky Atkins leaves then theres gonna be someone that has to step up at the PG position it's either going to be Banks or Allen but most likely Banks because he is proven. Philly will probably once again be the beast of the east with Iverson, Iggy, Salmons, Willie Green, Dalembert, Thomas, and Brian Skinner. Iverson is an All Star and can do it all + they have instant offense from Green off the bench or starting over Snow and Iggy, Thomas, Skinner, Korver and Dalembert can all crash the boards real good. Salmons has all around game which is a + and they have there 3 point specialist Kyle Korver who is a great plug off the bench. Forgot to mention Skinner and Dalembert blocking shots, there beasts. BTW Am i wrong about skinner, I mean did they sign him? I thought i heard that. I think that the Raptors can take the Atlantic, New Jersey without Kenyon Martin wont stand long he was the back bone of there team. With the Addition of Rafer to run the point and 2 great draft pick one's a project though(Pape Sow), and Rafael Araujo. The Raptors can get past winning 41 games easy, which will most likely be a problem for other Atlantic teams. Alvin Williams, Roger Mason jr., Milt Palacio are all great for back court back ups but who's going to fill the gap if MoPete leaves, at this point I dont think he's worth $15 mil over 3 years so $5 mil a year is over paying him. Thats all I got now i'll post later.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">so how many points do u think the genetic freak is going to average? i say 7ppg, 4 boards and 22 minutes a game.</div> If he averaged 7 points for 82 games it will be more than Gerald Wallace has gotten in his whole career, and if he averaged 4 rebounds for 82 games it will also be more than Wallace's whole career. A comparison to Iggy would be a young Richard Jefferson with better handles, and a better passer, or Mickael Pietrus. Gerald Wallace right now probably still isn't near the player Iggy is, Iggy is a better shooter (Wallace cannot shoot at all), passer, ball handler, and even a better defender. Gerald Wallace is just athletic and that's what he was drafted on, just athleticism, nothing else, Iggy was drafted on versatility and athleticism. Gerald is on Charlotte though, but how much will he do, he'll get 35 minutes and only averaged 12-13 points, he only averaged 17 in summer league
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">If he averaged 7 points for 82 games it will be more than Gerald Wallace has gotten in his whole career, and if he averaged 4 rebounds for 82 games it will also be more than Wallace's whole career. A comparison to Iggy would be a young Richard Jefferson with better handles, and a better passer, or Mickael Pietrus. Gerald Wallace right now probably still isn't near the player Iggy is, Iggy is a better shooter (Wallace cannot shoot at all), passer, ball handler, and even a better defender. Gerald Wallace is just athletic and that's what he was drafted on, just athleticism, nothing else, Iggy was drafted on versatility and athleticism. Gerald is on Charlotte though, but how much will he do, he'll get 35 minutes and only averaged 12-13 points, he only averaged 17 in summer league</div> your distorting the numbers cause your not explaining the context of the numbers. g.wallace was playing behing bobby jackson, doug christie, peja, jimmy jackson and anthony peeler whereas your "iggy" is playing behind the big dawg and thats it, who's on the last year of his contract.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">okay so al jefferson looks promising in summer league while banks, robert swift, tony allen, welsch and west are all projects. the raptors have chris bosh, the best young big man in the game. the only reason why the raptors didn't make playoffs was because of former coach o'neill defensive obsessed half court style which juxtaposed negatively against the abilities of the roster. even coach o'brein said after our big trade for jalen and donyell marshall that the raptors had a 50 win team in the east.</div> By the way....Robert Swift is on the Sonics...How about some research before you pretend like you actually know what you are talking about? You certainly have a Raptor fan's perspective, I suggest you try and broaden it to see more than just positive things about your team and negatives of others. By the way, The Celtics had an even worse coaching situation than Toronto last year, so that isn't much of an excuse. I think Boston and Toronto will finish 2 & 3 in the Atlantic. It could go either way. But, I honestly think the Nets will still win the division. I don't know why people find it so easy to write them off. IMO, Philly is moving backwards not forwards. O'Brien isn't going to help them, either.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">a lot of people are penciling in philly to win the atlantic, do u dudes have amnesia? snow, aaron mckie and coleman are senile. samuel dalemart (sp.), the canadian (the sixers have an affinity for canadian centers)</div> Sammy D canadian,well you must have amnesia or you have never watched the Sixers play last season,he is hatian man.Even though Snow might be going down in his career he is still a good defender and a solid assist man and is a good PG next to AI,also I still like Aaron Mckie I remeber when AI was hurt Mckie wouls step up along with Snow plus Mcie was top 5 in 3 point fg% I believe. Also AI 2 wasnt really drafted to bring offense to the team,we will probally not start him and start Glenn Robinson and AI 2 will bring us defense and monentum and energy off the bench.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 44caliberThrila:</div><div class="quote_post">By the way....Robert Swift is on the Sonics...How about some research before you pretend like you actually know what you are talking about? You certainly have a Raptor fan's perspective, I suggest you try and broaden it to see more than just positive things about your team and negatives of others. By the way, The Celtics had an even worse coaching situation than Toronto last year, so that isn't much of an excuse. </div> Heres some other things the Raptors had, its not just bad coaching: Jalen Rose broke his hand and missed 17 games. Along with that Vince missed 9 in the same time period leaving Milt Palacio and Dion Glover for the back court, a period spent losing many games. Along with having a stubborn coach, who never changed, the Raptors dressed 23 different players due to injury, how can you expect a team to win with no chemistry? The lineup was constantly changing, Kevin O'neill had to deal with that and the players had to deal with his stupid coaching. The Raptors may not have changed much but when healthy they can definitely light it up. They've also acquired a new coach that has a much different style for this offense, which should increase the productivity of the players to play to their full ability. ^thats just some of the post I posted in the Celtics forum. I think its between the Raptors and Celtics to win the Atlantic. Btw, deception, Dalembert isn't Canadian, he played 2 years of HS ball in Montreal, thats it.
Well I dont think Boston has a chance as of now they have no dept at the point and Atkins is going to be dealt so they might have trouble at the PG spot,they have a solid line up though with Blount,Ricky D and Pierce but I dont tihnk thats enough for them. As for Toronto I dont think they will win its hard to say because their line up is questionable next year with VC supposedly wanting out.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Heres some other things the Raptors had, its not just bad coaching: Jalen Rose broke his hand and missed 17 games. Along with that Vince missed 9 in the same time period leaving Milt Palacio and Dion Glover for the back court, a period spent losing many games. Along with having a stubborn coach, who never changed, the Raptors dressed 23 different players due to injury, how can you expect a team to win with no chemistry? The lineup was constantly changing, Kevin O'neill had to deal with that and the players had to deal with his stupid coaching. The Raptors may not have changed much but when healthy they can definitely light it up. They've also acquired a new coach that has a much different style for this offense, which should increase the productivity of the players to play to their full ability.</div>OK? We started the season off with bad coaching, and then finished it off with no coaching. We traded away 5 players who were starters when they were traded. We also had a starter get suspended and then released due to alcoholism. The Raps dressed 23? Celts dressed 20, not a big difference in chemistry (both had none). Our lineup was constantly changing, too. Not to mention that the Celtics were in a rebuilding year, starting the season with only 2 players from the previous opening roster. Listen, The Raps may have had a rough season last year, but so did the Celtics. Both teams have done a little to try to get better. I like what the Celtics have done a little bit better. I like Alston, but I don't think he will cause the team to be any better than it is. I hate their 1st round pick. I think they could have done much better than him. But, I could be wrong and he could prove to be serviceable. Both teams will have a fresh start with new coaches in place. I think the C's and Raps should both improve on last season, because how could it get any worse for either of them? They both had everything possible go wrong for them. But still, I don't think either will finish ahead of the Nets.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Well I dont think Boston has a chance as of now they have no dept at the point and Atkins is going to be dealt so they might have trouble at the PG spot,they have a solid line up though with Blount,Ricky D and Pierce but I dont tihnk thats enough for them.</div> ? I know their players aren't exactly experienced, but they have Atkins, Banks Delonte West, and Jiri Welsch is capable of playing the 1,2,3, he was playing PG in Dallas, that looks like some depth to me? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">your distorting the numbers cause your not explaining the context of the numbers. g.wallace was playing behing bobby jackson, doug christie, peja, jimmy jackson and anthony peeler whereas your "iggy" is playing behind the big dawg and thats it, who's on the last year of his contract.</div> Their was a reason he was playing behind them and getting NO (hardly any) minutes, his skills just never developed as expected, his shot has not improved one bit, and he's still just athletic and thats all. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Sorry to break it to all of you guys, but the 76ers are winning it this year. Don't cry now.</div> I don't see why anyone would cry, I already said I thought the Sixers would win, it's no big deal. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">OK? We started the season off with bad coaching, and then finished it off with no coaching. We traded away 5 players who were starters when they were traded. We also had a starter get suspended and then released due to alcoholism. The Raps dressed 23? Celts dressed 20, not a big difference in chemistry (both had none). Our lineup was constantly changing, too. Not to mention that the Celtics were in a rebuilding year, starting the season with only 2 players from the previous opening roster. Listen, The Raps may have had a rough season last year, but so did the Celtics. Both teams have done a little to try to get better. I like what the Celtics have done a little bit better. I like Alston, but I don't think he will cause the team to be any better than it is. I hate their 1st round pick. I think they could have done much better than him. But, I could be wrong and he could prove to be serviceable. Both teams will have a fresh start with new coaches in place. I think the C's and Raps should both improve on last season, because how could it get any worse for either of them? They both had everything possible go wrong for them. But still, I don't think either will finish ahead of the Nets</div> Yes but the big thing was Carter missed 9 games total, but 7 games where at that same time Jalen Rose was out, the Raptors went 0-7 in that stretch, that was the defining point for them. It would actually be 8 games because the Raptors were beating the Spurs till Bowen took Carter out. Boston was 3 games ahead of Toronto, if the Raptors had those guys and could've won 3 out of the 8 games. A starting lineup of: PG - Milt Palaicio SG - Alvin Williams SF - Morris Peterson PF - Donyell Marshall C - Chris Bosh is pretty sad, what are we the Atlanta Hawks? and to top it off, these were the rotation players off the bench, Michael Curry, Roger Mason Jr, and Jerome Moiso. then to make it better, 2 games after Carter goes out, Alvin Williams goes out, so the starting lineup was: PG - Milt Palacio SG - Roger Mason Jr SF - Morris Peterson PF - Donyell Marshall C - Chris Bosh and the rotation guys off the bench became, Michael Curry, Janero Pargo, Michael Bradley and Jerome Moiso I mean after Carter came back, the first 10 games we went 5-5 beating the Heat and Jazz, Hawks (who cares) and also the Hornets twice.
^^ Michael Bradley wasnt doing any rotational work for the Raptors last year, I dont even remember him being able to see the floor, as he was hurt.
oh.. and I don't think Roger Mason Jr. started during that stretch. If I remember correctly, the starting line up was PG: Milt Palacio SG: Morris Peterson SF: Michael Curry PF: Donyell Marshall C: Chris Bosh
Actually Michael Bradley was averaging about 10 minutes a game in tht stretch then got waived, and Roger Mason started 3 of the 7 games, he averaged 38 minutes a game in those games. Curry never started, it was first Alvin and Milt then Milt and Roger Mason for three games, then Milt and Doin Glover in the backcourt
I forgot that an 82 game season was defined by 7 games...sorry. Look, We all had a rough season. Stop trying to make the Raptors season look worse. If they really were as good as you say they were, than they would have finished ahead of the Celtics. 7 games wouldn't have kept them down.
As good as I say they were? What did I say, they'd win their division or something? What are you talking about? Also why couldn't they have finished ahead of Boston, the Celtics beat the Raptors by 3 games in the season, and the Raptors went 0-9 when Carter was out, so all then needed to do was win 33% of those games, less than their season percentage to ahve the same record as the Celtics.
I withdraw myself from this arguement. I just can't deal with the lack of logic that people use when coming up with some of these things that they say...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 44caliberThrila:</div><div class="quote_post">I withdraw myself from this arguement. I just can't deal with the lack of logic that people use when coming up with some of these things that they say...</div> Lack of logic? Most of the posts in here are fairly factual, at least we try to give both sides of the argument, as some people have not picked the Raptors to win the Atlantic such as myself and og15. We're only giving people information that doesn't stand out, so you can understand our point of view better.
celtics made the playoffs last year, raps didnt nuff said thers a lot of excuses raps can use but celtics were the beter team in the end last year cuz they made it and we didnt... this year tho, they have almost the same roster aside from al jefferson and other rookies.....they really havent signed any1 significant and i doubt they will be able get the top seed....Sixers and Raps r my top 2 right now.... im counting the nets out becuz without Kenyon they will surely miss out, especially since it was for draft picks of all things...if the Kidd gets dealt then we'll see but as of now i believe it will be 1. Raps/Sixers 2. Raps/Sixers 3. Celtics/ NY 4. Celtics/ NY 5. NJ But those r just my views, we wont finmd out till the season gets underway....so its kinda wierd to make these assumptions now....maybe at allstar weekend these predictions will have some justifications, but not now
