You know, I think it would be nice to get Ridnour to back-up Speedy and have Flores provide minutes too. Ridnour is quick, smart, and can penetrate well like Speedy, basically, it would be a defeders nightmare and their knees and legs wil all ache after the game
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Gohn:</div><div class="quote_post">Kwan and CustodianRules both of you point out the flaw that Arenas is not a true PG. And I agree with that point which never came to my mind. Because if he were on the suns instead of Nash, I don't think the Suns would be as good as they are because Nash makes everyone better on that team. But if you put Nash on the wizards without Hughes I feel that the Wizards would not have won as many games as they have without Hughes. Mainly becuase Arenas has shouldered that responsiblity by scoring over 30 in ten games. I don't think he will shoot as much once hughes comes back. He knows that he needs to take more shots or they will lose. And I like that drive that he has. Would he fit on the team? TheCustodianRules2 maybe right that Arenas deosnt fit, definitly J-rich would not have improved with Arenas by his side. The warriors lack both defense and offense. Arenas can help improve the Offense. I don't feel like a distributing pg would help much. Who are they going to pass it to? If they pass it to Dunleavy, he'll pass it like a hot potato. Foyle will drop the pass out of bounds. Pietrus will take a three or step out of bounds with the ball. J-rich will benifit and Chenay if he can get a baseline shot. A post presence is what they need more than anything. It will open up so much oppurtunites. I think Arenas would be perfect for this team that can't score consistently. ie( Fisher and Dunleavy mainly) Off topic, but I hate Murphy. I think he is a blackhole. Puts up everyshot he gets. The worst part is he shoots jumpshots. Its great he can shoot the 3 at 45 percent or whatever, but defintly need a Post up PF or a good D and rebounder PF. Would ahve worked fine with Jamison though.</div> I dunno Nash on the Wizards might be successful without Hughes. He can still score in a variety of ways, get fouled and make difficult shots. Plus, he'll get a lot of scorers who can't create their own offense some easy points. I mean look at Amare Stoudamire. The guy just struggles unless he has Nash to set him up. When Nash got hurt, Amare lost a big portion of his high fg% stats and points scored and the rest of the team suffered as well. Amare is what Kenyon Martin is to Jason Kidd. Those raw athletic freaks need a setup guy if they want to be at their best. So if you put Nash on the Wizards he can go to scorers like Jarvis Hayes (who plays a bit like Allan Houston) who can't really dribble that well, he can go to Antwan Jamison or Brendon Haywood (Dampier part II) in the post. And he's got Juan Dixon who they can play at the 2 and Etan Thomas can involved offensively like a Brian Grant without the 18 footer on a slam dunk or an easy post play. Creativity is creativity. Kidd, Lebron, and Nash will do that for any team and make them better in the open court or the half court. I'm okay with Murphy because we simply need the rebounding, but i agree that he is a poor of a defender as Dunleavy is sometimes and he clogs up the lane when we're trying to push. I'm starting to like Dunleavy at the 4 for the past two games from what he has shown. That was some of the most creative ball I've seen in a while and he wasn't as bad on defense as I thought he'd be, although we still suck on D (but that can't be helped anytime soon). What about Murphy as sixth man like last year?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting J-Rich23:</div><div class="quote_post">You know, I think it would be nice to get Ridnour to back-up Speedy and have Flores provide minutes too. Ridnour is quick, smart, and can penetrate well like Speedy, basically, it would be a defeders nightmare and their knees and legs wil all ache after the game</div> Sonics wouldn't do it since he's their starter and he's on a winning team. We've got to find the jewels that some teams just don't need or don't care about. What about Steve Blake or Frank Williams? 6'3 point guards that can pass and play defense. Except one is too skinny, the other is too slow, and neither is consistent on offense. hmm... I'd rather have Blake. More upside.
^Yeah just a daydream.... kinda like the one of getting Swift in return for Cheany in the offseason... dumb me
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kwan1031:</div><div class="quote_post">Well, I think Dunleavy at PF experiment will end when we meet half way decent PF. Right now, we were able to get away with Dunleavy at PF, because neither Haslim or Howard is polished offensive PF to say the least, while Dunleavy can benefit from being mismatched. But, even then, other teams were basically dominating in rebounding, and we looked like little kids trying to get the ball from adults. If we had Dampier like center, we may be able to get away bit more, but since we don't... </div> Murphy at the 5 and Dunleavy at the 4? I'd like to see that. Hehe that might be entertaining if we want to see some high percentage scoring. Not from our end of course. Some how I see us needing a red cape and seeing a box score of 2 points in scored in the paint with the opponent scoring on 70% shooting. But hey it sounds better than my solution: I was going to bring that up about how Dunleavy guarding a real 4 like Tim Duncan, Elton Brand, Kevin Garnett or Jermaine O'neil would not work because those are guys that are strong and play like centers, etc, etc. However if the center was unpolished on the offensive end, maybe have Dunleavy guard the actual center. It sounds crazy, and it is crazy, but man if Dunleavy's guarding a center like Foyle or Battie. I'm not worried about guarding him unless he has a freak night like against the Magic. Besides he can flop all he wants and it will look believable instead of the acting job he usually pulls against 6'7-6'8 small forwards. The refs will feel sorry too. He might have trouble boxing out 7 footers and keeping them from rebounding and dunking right over him, but that's okay because I will be totally entertained and laughing my ass off, regardless. Okay, well that's problem I've had with Dunleavy in the first place is that he's either a 1 or a 4, but not a 2 or a 3. I absolutely loathe the guy playing small forward, but he was great at the 4 against Haslim (6'8 physically strong) and Dwight Howard (6'10" physically not as strong).
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting J-Rich23:</div><div class="quote_post">^Yeah just a daydream.... kinda like the one of getting Swift in return for Cheany in the offseason... </div> We can dream can't we? Swift would be pretty awesome for us if we had that dynamo point guard who is excellent on the fastbreak. I think Jason Williams makes him better. I'm not a real fan of Jason Williams, but he's got some flash to his game and some tremendous passing and court awareness that makes Swift look awesome when he's receiving the pass to dunk. I'm hoping Biedrens can be the answer to Swift and Pau Gasol combined. I mean how athletic of a freak do you have to be to be compared to "Jermaine O'neil, Chris Bosh, and Kenyon Martin". It almost sounds too good to be true, but even before the draft they said he had a really high vertical leap and can run the floor really fast for his size. The problem is he's young and he's a bit raw and he'll probably be lousy for 3-5 years until he starts rocking. I'm prepared for that.
Haha, Dunleavy's natural position is 3 and you hate to see him playing that . Well, Mullin guarded center a lot of times, so it's not that sound crazy as you think. Although, Mullin also brought so much for the team than Dunleavy, so we could live with that mismatch. It will be fun for short term...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">I dunno Nash on the Wizards might be successful without Hughes. He can still score in a variety of ways, get fouled and make difficult shots. Plus, he'll get a lot of scorers who can't create their own offense some easy points. I mean look at Amare Stoudamire. The guy just struggles unless he has Nash to set him up. When Nash got hurt, Amare lost a big portion of his high fg% stats and points scored and the rest of the team suffered as well. Amare is what Kenyon Martin is to Jason Kidd. Those raw athletic freaks need a setup guy if they want to be at their best. So if you put Nash on the Wizards he can go to scorers like Jarvis Hayes (who plays a bit like Allan Houston) who can't really dribble that well, he can go to Antwan Jamison or Brendon Haywood (Dampier part II) in the post. And he's got Juan Dixon who they can play at the 2 and Etan Thomas can involved offensively like a Brian Grant without the 18 footer on a slam dunk or an easy post play. Creativity is creativity. Kidd, Lebron, and Nash will do that for any team and make them better in the open court or the half court. I'm okay with Murphy because we simply need the rebounding, but i agree that he is a poor of a defender as Dunleavy is sometimes and he clogs up the lane when we're trying to push. I'm starting to like Dunleavy at the 4 for the past two games from what he has shown. That was some of the most creative ball I've seen in a while and he wasn't as bad on defense as I thought he'd be, although we still suck on D (but that can't be helped anytime soon). What about Murphy as sixth man like last year?</div> You make alot of sense. Forgot about Jamison, he would defintiyl benifit alot from Nash and Haywood also. But Haywood is no Amare. But I see their similarities. I guess we'll never know what would happen anyways. Last year was the year i started hating Murphy. I hate how takes so many shots and rarely passes. But maybe thats his role like Kwan said. I think thats what he meant.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting J-Rich23:</div><div class="quote_post">You know, I think it would be nice to get Ridnour to back-up Speedy and have Flores provide minutes too. Ridnour is quick, smart, and can penetrate well like Speedy, basically, it would be a defeders nightmare and their knees and legs wil all ache after the game</div> The warriors did have Dickau. Who may not be as good as Hinirch or Ridnour but he plays in the same mold as them. Well more so Ridnour. Wish they still ahd him.
Signing Fisher made it impossible for Dickau to play, he might have played more than Flores, but Mullin didn't have the brains to trade Dickau for anything, instead he waived him just like Christean Lattenaer
^I think that they made the Dale DAvis trade before Signing Fisher. And they got Dickau as a filler. Mullin probably felt Dickau wouldn't be a good enough backup. As he then Signed Fisher and traded him since he had no use on the team in the Damp trade.(at least I think thats what happened.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Gohn:</div><div class="quote_post">The warriors did have Dickau. Who may not be as good as Hinirch or Ridnour but he plays in the same mold as them. Well more so Ridnour. Wish they still ahd him.</div> He's good, but I'm not sold on his size and speed when it comes to the defensive end. He's an excellent shooter though and everything else he does is above average. I think Luis Flores will be better than him if he gets some darn playing time since he's not a bad ballhandler and shooter himself. He's probably not a better playmaker than Dickau yet, but he has the potential to be. Luis Flores is not an athletic freak like Speedy (Speedy is a guy that can actually dunk at 5'10-5'11), but he's enough to take some off the dribble. He's the kind of guard that can get fouled and finish, shoot off balance, and bank a shot off glass. And he's a good defender. If he gets more playing time maybe he'll demonstrate these things and prove he can do it in the nba. He looked quite good during limited minutes and he seems to have that shooting touch he had back in college.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">He's good, but I'm not sold on his size and speed when it comes to the defensive end. He's an excellent shooter though and everything else he does is above average. I think Luis Flores will be better than him if he gets some darn playing time since he's not a bad ballhandler and shooter himself. He's probably not a better playmaker than Dickau yet, but he has the potential to be. Luis Flores is not an athletic freak like Speedy (Speedy is a guy that can actually dunk at 5'10-5'11), but he's enough to take some off the dribble. He's the kind of guard that can get fouled and finish, shoot off balance, and bank a shot off glass. And he's a good defender. If he gets more playing time maybe he'll demonstrate these things and prove he can do it in the nba. He looked quite good during limited minutes and he seems to have that shooting touch he had back in college.</div> Yea I would like to see more of Flores. That'll make me forget about Dickau and how we traded him away or waived him. Becuase right now I still feel he is the better of Fisher and Flores.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Gohn:</div><div class="quote_post">^I think that they made the Dale DAvis trade before Signing Fisher. And they got Dickau as a filler. Mullin probably felt Dickau wouldn't be a good enough backup. As he then Signed Fisher and traded him since he had no use on the team in the Damp trade.(at least I think thats what happened.</div> I dunno when it was verbally or contractually agreed upon before it happened, but if it's not in writing you can always back out. <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font size="1"> July 20 2004 Traded guard Nick Van Exel to the Portland Trail Blazers for guard Dan Dickau and center Dale Davis. July 16 2004 Signed guard Derek Fisher. </font></font>
Also, Mullin was very high on Flores as future PG (probably thinking Fisher/Flores combo PG), and gave him 3 years contract. So, there is virtually zero chance of Dickau flourishing in here, since he will be 4th in PG depth chart...
