The article says we would "have" to include a 1st. Why would it take CJ to get Gordon? The Magic traded Tobias Harris to Detroit for Ilyasova and Brandon Jennings. I know that was a different GM but my point is if someone is struggling it shouldn't take that much to get him.
Add Vucevic to the trade and go big. There has been some rumors of him being moved at the trade deadline to open up time for their young bigs to develop. Nurk and Vucevic would dominate teams in the paint and Vucevic has an outside game so they could be on the court at the same time. Another year for Collins to develop without huge pressure. Boogie comes back today so there's that.
And I do not believe CJ is worth his contract. The differance is. Next season, CJ will cost us $8.2 million more than Gordon. $11.2 million more the following season.
There needs to be more "hell no" votes. If we are going to upgrade at PF, it needs to be an actual upgrade. https://www.basketball-reference.co...minu&y2=2019&player_id2=aminual01&idx=players This trade would be a recipe for more frustration. We need: compelling prospect or established player. I'd argue, and frankly the numbers would argue, that Aaron Gordon is neither.
Dame and CJ are redundant in that they are both better when they are controlling the ball, both scoring guards and neither are very good defensive players. One smallish poor defensive guard you can hide. (Curry) 2 smallish poor defensive guards...that is much tougher. Add to it they are both better on-ball than off-ball and that creates an issue for the rest of the team if they tend towards their specific tendencies. Again, one player doing it is fine but if you have them both doing the same, it is problematic. Yes, the article...which I promptly mentioned in my post as the author was the only one advocating it.
Agree to disagree. Our defense is not the problem. Our offense is the issue because of our forwards. Having two good on-ball players on the court at the same time is not a problem. Plus they both are good spot up shooters. Look I agree there are a few other guards I would rather have matched up with Dame other than CJ. You get me one of those those FEW and I will be excited.
Jake is 6'9" 215 Aaron is 6'9" 220 Granted Gordon has a longer wing (2" more) and I think you can play them together. But for you redundancy haters, aren't they basically the same player? And for you who focus on contracts, isn't Jake a lot cheaper?
Not both ball dominant and not both such poor defenders. So yes, some similarities but I would submit they are in more positive ways. I'm still trying to find the smallish, very good offensively, below average defensively back-court that was very successful. The most obvious is Thomas/Dumars but Joe was a top defender so that is a massive difference. Other than that, perhaps someone else can thing of more solid examples.
All these duos have made at least a conference finals Kyrie and JR Jameer Nelson and Vince Carter Nash and JRich Mo Williams and Delonte West Jamaal Tinsley and Reggie Miller Nash and Finley Damon and Smitty?
Not to derail the thread, but there is no way Nurkic and Vucevic can share the floor without being on opposite teams. Let's just kill that notion.
Exactly this. If we aren't getting an established star (probably unlikely) for CJ, I'd rather have a prospect that is still on his rookie deal and/or a potential lottery pick.
I suspect this is not true. My suspicions tell me both are most effective shooting off the catch rather than off the dribble. Unfortunately, until we get a new coach we won't find out.
Kyrie and JR (JR is 6'6") Jameer Nelson and Vince Carter (Carter is 6'6") Nash and JRich (Richardson is 6'6") Mo Williams and Delonte West (this is by far the closest) Jamaal Tinsley and Reggie Miller (Miller is 6'7") Nash and Finley (Finley is 6'7") Damon and Smitty? (Steve Smith is 6'8") Thank you for helping to prove the point. The only smallish duo on there is Mo Williams and Delonte West who were very similar in size to Dame/CJ. Two big differences: Neither of them was the go to guy They played with perhaps the greatest or 2nd greatest player of all time. Without LeBron, that smallish duo was complete trash. Still open to suggestions or examples.
I completely agree that they may be their most effective in those situations....but that is not what their tendencies are. I didn't have too look through many box scores to see many 12-15 for 40+ shooting nights when other players were shooting much better but got less than 10 shots.
Just because it hasn't been done before doesn't mean it can't be done. 60% of the starting lineup can be built to mitigate the guards' weaknesses. Hell, our defense last year wasn't that bad. We were 7th in defensive rating. People used to say Golden State would never win as a 3pt shooting team until Curry went supernova. It takes an innovative mind to come up with solutions for these kinds of problems. Unfortunately for us, we don't really have that in our front office or on the bench.
