Politics The RNC convention that even fewer people watched

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  1. riverman

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    so to clarify...they are a United States Territory, not a Latin American country which I thought was your question
     
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    Ok well, my point was that I don't know if Puerto Rican's generally consider themselves part of the US or not, or if they even want to be. It's a complicated relationship.
     
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    It's simple,not complicated...they vote for statehood and have never passed that vote as a territory....recently since Trump threw paper towels at them, they've been disgruntled about their status....
     
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    I literally posted a conversation of a bunch of people actually from Puerto Rico (or at least they claim to be) talking about the complexities of their situation...
     
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    Tim Scott’s speech was good. His “from cotton to congress” line was very inspirational when talking about his families history in one lifespan.
     
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    didn't see it but I know they have been having trouble with a corrupt governer and misappropriation of relief funds...that's been going on for awhile....in fairness....people here are talking about the complexities of the United States and it's problems too....but it doesn't affect our standing as citizens...that is the simple part..there are Puerto Ricans who probably don't want to become a state...they've never gotten that vote to pass yet so it's not that popular on the island apparently. John Bolton said Trump asked about selling Puerto Rico early in his presidency
     
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    Did anyone follow the Lincoln Project's twitter feed last night?

    Major leak at the convention. They were posting the speech transcripts before they were given.

    That's really going to paranoia the Trumpster.
     
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    I got bored with the Lincoln Project like 6ish months ago.
     
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    @THE HCP immigrated from the Blazers to the Lakers.

    BUILD THE FAN WALL!
     
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    I enjoy the hell out of them.
     
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    CNN and Washington Post’s highest paid asset is supposed to take the stage tonight.
     
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    I think it's just gone to anti-trump propaganda. Which is fine there's is plenty to be anti-trump about, but it's also boring, and never anything relatively insightful.
     
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    Ive always liked HW and respect him as a man, doesn't mean we agree on everything, but I don't believe he's a liar or man that would sell himself out fro political gain. Just my opinion.
     
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    I think the insightful part are the editorials they submit to various papers and news organizations weekly. I believe there is even one out today.
     
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    I was actually moved by the Cuban immigrant.............until he got on the “we’re on the road to Socialism” hysteria. We’ve been on the road to socialism since the ‘60’s.....and that destination just gets farther away. The closest we’ve ever come to socialism is recent Republican giveaways, especially to big business. That is the socialism we should be concerned about.
     
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    Here's my issue when a 'news' source that basically has one and literally only one reason for existing in this case, being against Trump. It's boring, there is a lot of gaslighting, everything must fit their narrative, any news against the narrative is discarded. I obviously have a distrust in media because I think a lot of it has become that, there are 'pro-trump' you-tube channels and twitter feeds I don't pay attention to for the same reason. I find that type of news might hit me where my confirmation bias gets a nice tickle, but it's also completely 100% incapable of being trustworthy in my opinion because of it.
    I don't have an issue with being anti-trump at all, but I also think I'm doing myself a disservice logically to get wrapped up in just their agenda's and seeking the truth is secondary to their agenda.
     
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    Great synopsis. Not unexpected from you
    Herschel said after the convention that Trump has not once asked for him to speak on Donald's behalf. He made that speech because he wanted to...and made that very clear.
     
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    The Republican convention just proved this scary fact about the GOP

    The sign adorning the podium at the Andrew W. Mellon Auditorium -- where speaker after speaker addressed the nation on the first night of the Republican National Convention -- said it all. On top were the words "Trump 2020." Below them: "The GOP Convention."

    Monday night's festivities were a remarkable demonstration of how the Republican Party at this moment is less a collection of like-minded people gathered around a set of common principles and much more a cult of personality built around the man one GOP delegate called "Donald J. President." Virtually every speaker -- Sen. Tim Scott was a notable exception -- dedicated at least some chunk of their speech to fawning praise of the President, often in terms that would make the average person blush.

    I went through the transcripts of the speeches delivered on Monday night and pulled out some -- though not all! -- of the incredible language used to talk about the 45th president. Here are some examples:

    • "Trump is the bodyguard of Western civilization." (Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk)
    • "Once again, as the guardian of America, Donald Trump is shielding the innocent from the selfish ambition of the selfish elites." (Kirk)
    • "Donald Trump is a builder -- a visionary." (Florida Rep. Matt Gaetz)
    • "Donald Trump is hands-down the best president of my lifetime." (Congressional candidate Kim Klacik)
    • "Donald Trump truly moved mountains to save lives, and he deserves credit." (Dr. G.E. Ghali)
    • "Just imagine what 2020 would've looked like, fighting for your life, without Donald Trump fighting for it too." (Bone cancer survivor Natalie Harp)
    • "President Trump believes in you. He emancipates and lifts you up to live your American Dream." (Kimberly Guilfoyle)
    • "President Trump unleashed the economic might of this nation like no other president in our history." (Congressional candidate Sean Parnell)
    • "So if you're looking for hope, look to the man who did what the failed Obama-Biden Administration never could do and built the greatest economy our country had ever seen -- and President Trump will do it again." (Donald Trump Jr.)

    Again, this was a small percentage of the laudatory, bordering-on-obsequious commentary offered about Trump by the first night's speakers. A very small percentage.

    Now, there's an element of this sort of gush-fest in every political convention. The goal of these four-day affairs is to shape an image of the president (or presidential nominee) that is appealing to the broadest swath of people. Voters, as history has repeatedly proven, tend to pick a president based in large part on how that person makes them feel. Are they proud of that president? Does he seem like the sort of person who understands their hopes, fears and desires? All that sort of stuff.

    But never before -- at least in the modern history of politics -- have we seen a party that is so dedicated to blindly following a president, and abandoning many of the bedrock principles upon which it once stood. There was nary a word on Monday night about the ballooning federal deficit. The social conservative wing of the party was also practically nonexistent.

    Rather than venerating the policies on which the Republican Party was built, the speakers on the first night of the convention venerated Trump. And it isn't hard to figure out why. This is a President who has made very clear that he likes people who say nice things about him. "Well, I don't know much about the movement other than I understand they like me very much, which I appreciate," Trump said last week of the QAnon conspiracy movement, which has been labeled a potential domestic terrorism threat by the FBI.

    The way you secure a speaking slot at the GOP convention, then, is to show that you are willing to heap praise on Trump to the point where the average person -- and even many Republicans -- might roll their eyes. Trump isn't just fighting for the American people, he's the "bodyguard of Western civilization." (Side bar: If you don't hear the dog whistle in "Western civilization" there, well, listen harder.) He's not just a good president, he's "hands-down the best President of my lifetime." Trump didn't just improve the economy, he "unleashed the economic might of this nation like no other president in our history."

    In short: If some praise is good, more is better. A lot better.

    Which is all well and good for Donald Trump. A man who loves to be adored and applauded was adored and (virtually) applauded on Monday night. It was a win for him.

    The problem is for the broader Republican Party. At some point, Donald Trump won't be president anymore -- either in 2021 or 2025. What then? An attempted return to many of the principles they have walked away from in pursuit of Trump's good graces? A hand-off of Trumpism either to a relative (Donald Trump Jr.?) or another politician willing to raise up Trump's whim and wants to some sort of governing philosophy?

    Take Donald Trump out of that convention Monday night. What you'll find is a gaping hole where the "what the party believes in" part should be.
     
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    Take Donald Trump out of the DNC and you also have a massive hole. I think we as a country have an obsession...
     
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    This should be the RNC theme song.



    God money I'll do anything for you.
    God money just tell me what you want me to
    God money nail me up against the wall.
    God money don't want everything he wants it all.
    No you can't take it
    No you can't take it
    No you can't take that away from me
    No you can't take it
    No you can't take it
    No you can't take that away from me
    Head like a hole.
    Black as your soul.
    I'd rather die than give you control.
    Head like a hole.
    Black as your soul.
    I'd rather die than give you control.
    Bow down before the one you serve.
    You're going to get what you deserve.
    Bow down before the one you serve.
    You're going to get what you deserve.
    God money's not looking for the cure.
    God money's not concerned with the sick among the pure.
    God money let's go dancing on the backs of the bruised.
    God money's not one to choose
    No you can't take it
    No you can't take it
    No you can't take that away from me
    No you can't take it
    No you can't take it
    No you can't take that away from me
    Head like a hole.
    Black as your soul.
    I'd rather die than give you control.
    Head like a hole.
    Black as your soul.
    I'd rather die than give you control.
    Bow down before the one you serve.
    You're going to get what you deserve.
    Bow down before the one you serve.
    You're going to get what you deserve.
    Bow down before the one you serve
    You're going to get what you deserve.
    Bow down before the one you serve.
    You're going to get what you deserve.
    Head like a hole.
    Black as your soul.
    I'd rather die than give you control.
    Head like a hole.
    Black as your soul.
    I'd rather die than give you control.
    Head like a hole.
    Black as your soul.
    I'd rather die than give you control.
    Head like a hole.
    Black as your soul.
    I'd rather die than give you control.
    Bow down before the one you serve.
    You're going to get what you deserve.
    Bow down before the one you serve.
    You're going to get what you deserve.
    Bow down before the one you serve.
    You're going to get what you deserve.
    Bow down before the one you serve.
    You're going to get what you deserve
     
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