The Road to Impeachment

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  1. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    We don't know what crimes were or weren't committed. I know you claim to, but you don't.

    I don't care that Comey was fired. (He was, it's not a matter of opinion).

    The special counsel may have something to say about why he was fired. Or maybe he won't. Time will tell. As an official DNC spokesperson, I must tell you that this thing is far from over.

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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Comey enumerated her crimes, then failed to recommend prosecution.

    Comey admitted he didn't trust the Obama AG, even though he also admitted she told him to downplay the type of investigation that was going on into Clinton.
     
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    Best quote from Denny's famous law professor:

    "By the way, waking up in the middle of the night (as described by Comey) is not generally the best time to decide to leak damaging memos against a sitting president."

    Who knew there was an etiquette to these things? And so specific. Are the times different if the memos aren't damaging?
     
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    I don't think you're using "crimes" in the way most actual English speakers would.
     
  6. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    hahahahahaha

    The Nation.

    hahahahahaha


    http://time.com/4808071/donald-trump-impeachment-polls/

    Why You Should Be Skeptical About Polls on Impeaching Trump

    Three polls by CNN/ORC showed roughly similar numbers of adults—about 30%—wanted to impeach President Clinton in 1998, President Bush in 2006 and President Obama in 2014, even though the presidents were in very different circumstances.

    ...

    In the most recent Politico/Morning Consult poll, conducted from May 25 to May 30, just 15% of Republicans support the House beginning impeachment proceedings (compared to 38% of independents and 71% of Democrats who back an impeachment vote).

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  7. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Turley suggests it wasn't a good idea, period, and that something must have affected Comey's better judgment.

    Just wow. It's plain english.
     
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    Oh, I am. I use it the way Comey did yesterday.


    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/comey-s...-clinton-investigation-to-be-called-a-matter/

    "At one point the attorney general directed me not to call it an 'investigation' but instead to call it a 'matter,' which confused me and concerned me," Mr. Comey told the Senate Intelligence Committee. "That was one of the bricks in the load that lead me to conclude I have to step away from the (Justice) department if we are to close this case credibly."

    "We had a criminal investigation open at the time, so that gave me a queasy feeling," Comey said.
     
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    Trump put charity donation money in his own pocket....in some cases to pay for a portrait of himself and in others to help bail out his son in law from a bad real estate debt.....he's profited from hotels like Mar Lago and the converted old post office and after promising to put those profits into the US treasury, has not done that. so.....he bilked thousands with his Trump University and didn't even get credentials for it from the state of New York....won't release his tax returns and left every Muslim majority country off his travel ban that had Trump investments ...golf courses or hotels...fact.....he's been so shady that he's invited scrutiny like no president before him
     
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    Trump said she would not be investigated the day he was elected....said she'd served over 30 years and he didn't see a purpose to going after her. He'll probably back pedal on that one again. Comey agreed as did the rest of the Nat'l Security team
     
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    Literally nothing to do with the quote
     
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    I suspect if Trump's new FBI director wants to investigate, Trump wouldn't stop it.

    That's different than ordering an investigation, which he has the power to do. He also has the power to order an investigation stopped.
     
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    There is also a concept known as 'abuse of power'.

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    Why don't you write a guide for Trump to follow? I just wish you guys would tell me what the line is so I know it when I see it.
     
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    Sigh.
    1. You can have a criminal investigation of somebody who turns out to be innocent.
    2. Are you seriously saying that Comey thought she was GUILTY OF CRIMES and did not prosecute? And you honestly think that if you asked Comey that that's what he meant he would agree with you?

    I worry about your reading comprehension, especially for somebody who might possibly be involved with the law. Words mean things. Specific things. Context matters.
     
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    Yeah, it's SAD! that there is no guide (with lots of graphics and limited to one page) for Trump to follow.

    And if I walk into a hospital and do a bit of brain surgery, and it later turns out I'm not an MD and the patient was there for a C-section, well, I should have been given a guide to follow! How does anyone know where the lines are supposed to be?

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    read the thread title before you discount a post....it's to do with why people don't Trust Trump and why they would like him impeached...he has a long track record of bad behavior.
     
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    The FBI doesn't determine guilt or innocence. That's the job of the judicial system. Comey's exact quote on the matter was:

    “Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case.”

    Of course, that wasn't his task to determine, either. If there was evidence of potential violations of those statutes, he should have turned it over to the Attorney General to make the call on whether to prosecute the case. What he probably meant was, "Do you really think that Loretta Lynch is going to do anything with this case? Yeah, that's what I thought, too."
     
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    So, what part of this obvious rule did he break? Let's say Trump has no clue if he can ask Comey to drop anything. Would you be ok if he asked exactly this "As the President is it ok if I ask if you can drop this Flynn thing because I don't feel he did anything wrong?"


    You mention this "concept" and I want you to explain it and not just say "he did it because I think he did"

    Or is it because he fired him? None of you can point to one thing that doesn't involve your dislike for him. I didn't like Bill Clinton and KNEW he was lying and still didn't care about the cigar incident.
     
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    I dislike Trump and I know he lied repeatedly about his inauguration crowd size and I don't care. Lots of Trump's lies are inconsequential.

    Some of them aren't, though.

    I think your question for Trump to ask would have been fine. My answer that I'd draft for Comey would be as follows: "Sir, if you don't know whether that's ok, I respectfully suggest that you resign from office right away, before you get yourself deeper trouble. You are in way over your head. And the answer is no, it is not ok."

    Not my words, but here's a definition:
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