Politics The Scorching of California

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  1. Denny Crane

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    California's water shortage is man made. Industrious people of prior generations built a nice water supply system that's been dismantled over time in the name of the ecology. Now instead of fresh water flowing into reservoirs, it's dumped to sea.

    Last year, enough fresh water was dumped into the ocean, deliberately, to cover the entire state in several inches of water.

    From the local newspaper here in San Diego:

    http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2010/feb/28/save-the-delta-smelt/

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    interesting article. I just never thought the canal from Mammoth Lake that travels to southern California was such a great water system. If they are draining water into the ocean, why drain lakes in Northern Cal to send down the state?
     
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    I don't know the current state of Californias watershed or distribution system but my kids and grandchildren that have lived in San Diego almost all of their lives all say it's getting hotter than ever down there.
     
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    If Al Gore and his brilliant followers had their say and way back in history, could they have saved the major glaciers covering our northern states and most of all, the beautiful Lake Columbia? Which went all the way down past Eugene.

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    Probably not, there wasn't anyone in North America to pay the friggin carbon tax. But Hey, they could have stiffled Henry Ford and the Rest of the USA.
     
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    https://www.climatestations.com/san-diego/

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    jlprk gave me a laugh a few weeks back, talking about how the leaves don't go away anymore since 1980 and how he wears a t-shirt in the winter which he couldn't do in 1980. So I went and looked at a similar weather data site and fought that 1965 was just as hot in Oregon as today.

    hotter? my ass.
     
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    I moved to Bellingham in 1974, and those 41 years are what I compared to now. As for Oregon in 1965, you wouldn't have picked an outlier year, would you? How'd you pick 1965?

    You really shouldn't have missed the week in 4th grade when they taught you the concept of averaging.

    And keep your hot ass out of this.
     
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    Wait a minute! If a carbon tax wouldn't stop the Glaciers from melting and the oceans from rising when there wasn't anyone to pay the tax, why will it work when they are lots of people to pay the tax?
     
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    I picked bellingham because you said that's where you live. I got the weather data for bellingham.

    I randomly picked 1965 from prior years to see if there is some warming trend that's gone from snow and decaying leaves to hot and no decay.

    No dice.

    You know, if you massage the data using something better than average (average of what? :lol:) you can get the outcome you guys desire.

    They sky is falling, chicken little.
     
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    Your story is that you looked up the weather in Bellingham, Oregon?
     
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    Yes.

    http://www.wunderground.com/history...tml?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA

    Average 54/43/30

    http://www.wunderground.com/history...tml?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA

    Average 50/42/35

    Pick an average, any average. The mean is within 1 degree 50 years later.

    I think I have a post of yours from 1975 warning us of the coming ice age, and how you used to wear short sleeved shirts and had to wear sweaters.
     
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    I'm banking on the fact that the Cenral Oregon coastal range will eventually become Santa Barbara weather wise..I'd love to grow some avocados and lemons up here.
     
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    mammoth is pretty Northern California
     
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    Denny, you really shouldn't have skipped that week in the 4th grade when they taught averaging. You set those links to average only the first 3 days of January, instead of the whole month. (Also, you used Jan. 1964, but I moved here in March 1974, so my first January was 1975.)

    Here are the correct links. They show that the range of daily maxima in Jan. 1975 was 45-53, and in Jan. 2015 was 52-60, an increase of 7 degrees. The range of daily minima in Jan. 1975 was 18-24, and in Jan. 2015 was 21-39, an increase of from 3-15 (thus an average increase of 9) degrees.

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    http://www.wunderground.com/history...tml?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA

    Notice that there was snow back then, but not now, just like I said?
     
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    I didn't use just the three days of January. I used the "monthly" tab.

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    What do you want to be wrong about next? :)
     
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    I may as well address the snow issue, too:

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    Try the monthly option before answering. You'll see that it makes a difference which day you choose.

    Checkmate.
     
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    :lol:

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