OT The Shooting of Patrick Lyoya

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  1. Phatguysrule

    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    This is exactly right. Higher pay, better training, required to live inside the city they serve (possibly housing covered by the police department).

    This is also where a national firearms restriction would come in handy. Any corrupt police could also receive a firearm restriction on their drivers license. Preventing them from having any job which would gain them access to firearms.
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    Let's compare actual licensed teachers. Lumping "coaches" in is really lowering the bar. Adult volunteers who are put in a position of authority over kids is like a neon sign requesting perverts to apply.

    I'm a coach, so I'm certainly not saying all coaches are perverts. The vast majority aren't. Most are absolutely fantastic people. But the barrier to entry is low for a pervert and the potential to find an opportunity to exploit is significant.

    I'm very careful to make sure I get to know the coaches who work with my daughters, and have had that discussion with all of my daughters.
     
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    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    It also works that way with rental properties. jus sayin
     
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    Poor decisions made in this video ....

    - Having the wrong license plate for the vehicle
    - Getting out of the car when a cop pulls you over
    - Not having your license ready to go and seemingly stalling thinking that's going to work
    - Run from the cop
    - Wrestle with a cop on the ground
    - Try to get the taser away from the cop
    - shooting someone in the back of the head

    It should go without saying that the last one is the BY FAR the worst of all the decisions, but it's amazing how many different choices we can make in these situations that will result in a different outcome. Multiple lives either gone, ruined or greatly impacted by a handful of bad decisions all made in split seconds.
     
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    They should be regularly tested for psychological competence, especially if they are allowed to have a gun. I don't believe every police officer should be allowed to carry a gun. There should be different levels to being a police officer.
     
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  6. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Lyoya shouldn't have made the choices he did, sure. He probably should have just stayed in the car until asked to get out, listened to and obeyed the officer. Going to jail is better than dying.

    But, as a black man he was afraid, afraid that this cop was going to kill him, and he wasn't wrong.
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, that seems reasonable.
     
  8. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    But like.... I feel like that's a pretty big leap to fear that the guy is going to shoot you while you're in the car to the guy actually shooting you because you wrestled with him for his weapon.

    It would be like me being afraid that a Bengal Tiger is going to eat me.... so I climb into the Tiger's cage and wrestle with it.
     
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    So he wrestled him to the ground, grabbed his taser and tried to taze him with it?
     
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    The guy literally took the officer’s only means non-lethal defense and tried to use it on him. What happens if the guy successfully tazes the officer? Then what? Nobody knows the answer, that’s why dude got shot.
     
  11. Chris Craig

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    No man, no. Because of systemic racism, black people are afraid when they get pulled over. That fear can override logic, cause a flight or fight response, lead to bad choices being made, choices that might not be made under normal circumstances.

    It's not a big leap at all and that officer holding him down by his neck with one hand while shooting him in the head with the other only justifies that fear.
     
  12. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    And it didn't work. He was on top of the guy. He had him pinned. I guarantee Lyoya was at least if not more afraid for his life than that officer was.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Well, here's the thing.... as shown above, you have less than a .5% chance of being shot by a police officer. It's not even that high. It's 0.0014%

    I would assume that the chances of you being shot by a police officer increases drastically if you
    Get out of the car
    Run from the police
    Wrestle with a police officer
    Try to take his weapon.

    I would think that as you progressively escalate the situation, the chances of you being shot also increases. :dunno:

    TV and the internet have created this false sense that people are shot by the police all the time. It's simply not true. So while they might have a higher chance of being wrongfully arrested, or wrongfully pulled over, etc, they still have a very very very low chance of being shot. ESPECIALLY if they follow all the rules when they're pulled over.
     
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    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    1,593 black people have been shot and killed by police since 2015. That's 227 a year. You can percentile it all you want, but black people are killed by police at twice the rate white people are. There is systemic racism. That systemic racism has conditioned black people to fear police because they could be one of those 227 a year. And again, that fear can override logic which can lead to bad choices being made.
     
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    I agree - but it needs to be linked to better screening of applicants and stronger penalties for cops who go rogue.
     
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    If the cop was acting out of reasonable fear of his safety, he wouldn't have turned off his body cam. Turning off the body cam before shooting someone is powerful evidence of premeditation!
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    I mean.... dude.... that's even more absurd.

    227 people a year.......

    There's 332,915,073 people in the US.
    46.8 million black people in the United States.
    696,644 cops.

    It's like being afraid you're going to die in a plane crash. Sure, it's possible, but highly highly highly unlikely. I'm not saying there isn't systemic racism. I'm not saying that they don't have a valid reason to be wary of the police. But running from the police, fighting with them, etc is just going to make it so much worse.
     
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  18. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    No shit. So is holding the dude by his neck and executing him. You could see when he turned and saw the other person filming he knew he was busted.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Yeah, just to be clear. This guy clearly executed that guy. 100% needs to be in jail.
     
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    You can't teach that in Florida, Alabama, Tennessee or other states
     
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