<div class="quote_poster">Quoting phunky420:</div><div class="quote_post">Jordan has 37!! The closest is 7!!! You actually think any of those guys will get that many with the rest of their careers? Do you even understand what it takes to score 50 points in a game? Its pure magic....Every single thing has to be perfect. Also, you need someone feeding you the ball at the rigth place and at the right time. You know...kobe probably could break that record, but his team would end up losing every single on of those games.</div> Tell me anywhere in my post that I said anyone would break the record, I actually said no one would because the fact he is Micheal Jordan, I was stating the players listed still have career left in them and they can get more 50+ games than they already have. Why did you just assume that I would say Kobe would break the record? Kind of lame you didn't even read my post, it is kind of a insult not to read someones who post and than flame them for somehting they didnt even say.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting WadeDynasty:</div><div class="quote_post">OMG Can you stop comparing Kobe to Jordan and let Kobe be the first Kobe? instead of becoming second jordan?</div> Thats sounds like a good plan. Kobe=Kobe Jordan=Jordan End of story, It is sickening to hear you people argue over and over about how Kobe is yadda yadda yadda. He is the best perimeter player in the league no doubt about it and he is starting to prove he can lead a team I mean look the Laker's are supposed to be rebuilding this year right and yet there making play offs. That is great compared to other teams "rebuilding" like the Hawks, Bulls, New Jersey. I mean heck Houstan was supposed to have the next dynasty with Mcgrady/Yao and yet there not making play offs and loose to teams like the Bobcats. In my opinion Lakers are good and Kobe is the reason there so good, Odom hey he is not playing the garentee'd 2nd option which is why and I think it is part of the offense we are running and Odom. But I don't think you should blame Kobe for the teams loosing because he is doing everything he could to win, he is putting up the best numbers of his career, he is making team mates better if you even don't want to admit it and he is doing a good job, I dont care what you people say because what I just said is true whether Kobe Hater's like it or not, it is the truth. The Laker's have done in one off season what some teams have been trying to do for 5 years which include the Clippers/Hawks/Golden State teams , which have had lottery picks and tons of talent poor through there doors over the years yet what is the difference why The Laker's are over .500 and these others teams that are in the 'rebuilding" stage of there team arn't................Kobe Bryant you have to admit it, If Kobe was put on any other team including the clippers/hawks/golden state/chicago they would be above .500. The question if Kobe is a good player and leader, I think yes, his ingame attitude and how he feels and his work ethic is exactly what you need as a captain, now can he turn that into a winning organization, most likely, we don't know because there just starting out, but the Shaq/Kobe duo did not progress and work out untill 1999 which was 3 years and I don't expect the Lakers to be hosting any championship games untill that time frame.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">shaq or kareem? shaq duncan or david robinson? duncan ewing or brad miller? ewing kevin mcale or kg? kg 3-1 for the contemporary nba and i thought we were taking about guards? and yeah ginobli, dirk, gasol, peja, nash, parker and yao could have played in the 80's.</div> I'm not sure what that list is about. But let's take a look at Jordan's first MVP year, 87-88 and the landscape of the Big Men for that season versus today. Boston -- Parish & McHale vs. LaFrentz & Blount // Edge the Oldies New York -- Ewing & Walker vs. Mohammad & Thomas// Edge the Oldies Washington -- Malone & King vs. Haywood & Jamison // Edge the Oldies Philadelphia -- Barkley & Gminski vs. Dalembert & Thomas // Edge the Oldies New Jersey -- Williams & Gminski vs. Scalabrine & Collins // Edge the Oldies Detroit -- Dantley & Laimbeer vs. Wallace & Wallace // Draw Chicago -- Oakley & Grant vs. Curry & Chandler // Edge the Oldies Atlanta -- Willis & Rollins vs. Walker & Collier // Edge the Oldies Cleveland -- Nance & Daugherty vs. Ilgauskas & Gooden // Edge the Oldies Milwaukee -- Cummings & Sikma vs. Smith & Gadzuric // Edge the Oldies Indiana -- Tisdale & Stipanovich vs. O'neal & Foster // Edge the Newbies Denver -- English & Rasmussen vs. K-Mart & Camby // Draw Dallas -- Perkins & Tarpley vs. Dampier & Nowitzki // Edge the Newbies Utah -- Bailey & Malone vs. Boozer & Collins // Edge the Oldies Houston -- Olajuwon & Sampson vs. Yao & Howard // Edge the Oldies San Antonio -- Robinson & Anderson vs. Duncan & Nesterovic // Draw Sacramento -- Thorpe & Kleine vs. Webber & Miller // Edge the Newbies Lakers -- Abdul Jabar & Thompson vs. Odom & Mihm // Edge the Oldies Clippers -- Norman & Woodson vs. Brand & Wilcox // Edge the Newbies Golden State -- Smith & Carroll vs. Muphy & Robinson // Edge the Oldies Portland -- Kersey & Duckworth vs.Randolph & Ratliff // Edge the Newbies Seattle -- Cage & Benjamin vs. Evans & James // Edge the Oldies Phoenix -- Gilliam & West vs. Stoudemire & Marion // Edge the Newbies Teams not in the league at the time ... Miami -- Shaq & Haslem Memphis -- Gasol & Swift Charlotte -- Okafor & Brezec New Orleans -- Brown & Nailon Toronto -- Woods & Bosh Orlando -- Howard & Cato I hope that paints a clear picture of how dominant he older teams are over the teams now.
Can he win six championships by himself though? The answer is No. He's too much of a ME player. Look at the Seattle game. The Ray Allen Kobe feud. Kobe scores 35 points. Ray Allen scores 26. He just has 5 assists. The next highest was Caron Butler with 16. Lamar Odom is a pretty good player by himself. People that make teammates better are: Jason Kidd, Tim Duncan, Shaq, Steve Nash, Steve Francis. The Lakers won't win another championship until Kobe gets a little more help. He's on the same level as Tracy McGrady they're both ME players. Yeah they'll put up assists but are the players on his team really that much better than they were better. No, not even close. Jordan took the players around him and made them stars. Correct me if I'm wrong but only Steve Kerr won another championship from that team, and he was pretty much riding the bench till the playoffs. Kobe Article Interesting article by Skip Bayless of ESPN.
Can he win six championships by himself though? The answer is No. He's too much of a ME player. Look at the Seattle game. The Ray Allen Kobe feud. Kobe scores 35 points. Ray Allen scores 26. He just has 5 assists. The next highest was Caron Butler with 16. Lamar Odom is a pretty good player by himself. People that make teammates better are: Jason Kidd, Tim Duncan, Shaq, Steve Nash, Steve Francis. The Lakers won't win another championship until Kobe gets a little more help. He's on the same level as Tracy McGrady they're both ME players. Yeah they'll put up assists but are the players on his team really that much better than they were before?ESPN Article This is a pretty interesting article by Skip Bayless of ESPN. Please stop with the Jordan comparisons. There's only one MJ. There will never be another.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting JKiDD05NeTs:</div><div class="quote_post">Can he win six championships by himself though? The answer is No. He's too much of a ME player. Look at the Seattle game. The Ray Allen Kobe feud. Kobe scores 35 points. Ray Allen scores 26. He just has 5 assists. The next highest was Caron Butler with 16. Lamar Odom is a pretty good player by himself. People that make teammates better are: Jason Kidd, Tim Duncan, Shaq, Steve Nash, Steve Francis. The Lakers won't win another championship until Kobe gets a little more help. He's on the same level as Tracy McGrady they're both ME players. Yeah they'll put up assists but are the players on his team really that much better than they were better. No, not even close. Jordan took the players around him and made them stars. Correct me if I'm wrong but only Steve Kerr won another championship from that team, and he was pretty much riding the bench till the playoffs. Kobe Article Interesting article by Skip Bayless of ESPN.</div> I think everyone who's posted in this thread clearly seperates Kobe from Jordan and all agree there is NO COMPARISON whatsoever. As for the list of names you have, I'd remove Steve Francis from there, he is the epitome of a ME player. If he wasn't he would still be in Houston learning how to win with Yao.
Kobe making teammates better just because you get a lot of assists doesnt nessecqarily mean u make your teammates better. it doesnt even reallly prove that your not a selfish ballplayer. see: kobe, marbury i dont know why somepeople are so desperatley holding on to this "kobe the next MJ" or "kobe is the best ever" nonesense. Jordan won 6 NBA finals MVPs. Kobe hasnt won one. Micharl Jordan won 5 reg season MVPs. Kobe hasnt won one. Jordan won 6 championships as the top dog on his team. Kobe hasn't won one. It's more obvious now that ever that Shaq was the top dog of those teams. You could argue that KObe isnt even one of the top 5 players in the game now
To what og15 said in the 2nd page: Mutumbo could be compared to Ben Wallace, only much much skinnier. They have similar arsenals. I'm not sure about Mourning, simply because there aren't that many true shot blocking centers left in the league nowadays. The closest is Ben (to Mourning) but he doesn't have half the offensive game that 'Zo posessed in his peak years but he's the better rebounder. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> i dont know why somepeople are so desperatley holding on to this "kobe the next MJ" or "kobe is the best ever" nonesense. Jordan won 6 NBA finals MVPs. Kobe hasnt won one. Micharl Jordan won 5 reg season MVPs. Kobe hasnt won one. Jordan won 6 championships as the top dog on his team. Kobe hasn't won one. It's more obvious now that ever that Shaq was the top dog of those teams. You could argue that KObe isnt even one of the top 5 players in the game now </div> Nobody's comparing him to Jordan. If you would actually read the posts in the thread then you'd notice that EVERYONE agrees that Jordan never was, is, or will be Jordan. Ever. There was only one Jordan, get over it everyone.
Kobe will never be put into the same league as MJ. MJ had 37 50+ games and left for 2 years during his prime!!! To say kobe makes people better is ludacris... Jordan made everyone on the team better Pippen after Jordan was nothing but your everyday SF.. with him he was an All-Star. Only Jordan could win with centers such as Longley and Wennginton..lol. Kobe is a great player and will be one of the top 5 of all time when he is done I would say but to compare him to Jordan is dumb.. You are watching the future of the NBA now LeBron is the present and future of this league but he will only score 50+ 34 times...
Leave Kobe be him. Kobe is Kobe. MJ is MJ. I can't believe how most of you still argue over this. Kobe making his teammates better or not, whether his team wins or not, he's still the best guard in the NBA RIGHT NOW and that everyone will agree upon. I love MJ but MJ is "past" and Kobe is "present". Enjoy what you have now, instead of going thru your DVD collection and watch MJ play once again. Kobe never can, will be next Jordan because he isn't Jordan. WHat, Kobe is replica of Jordan's DNA? Let Kobe be first Kobe. Geez, they don't even look alike lol
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting JKiDD05NeTs:</div><div class="quote_post">Can he win six championships by himself though? The answer is No. He's too much of a ME player. Look at the Seattle game. The Ray Allen Kobe feud. Kobe scores 35 points. Ray Allen scores 26. He just has 5 assists. The next highest was Caron Butler with 16. Lamar Odom is a pretty good player by himself. People that make teammates better are: Jason Kidd, Tim Duncan, Shaq, Steve Nash, Steve Francis. The Lakers won't win another championship until Kobe gets a little more help. He's on the same level as Tracy McGrady they're both ME players. Yeah they'll put up assists but are the players on his team really that much better than they were better. No, not even close. Jordan took the players around him and made them stars. Correct me if I'm wrong but only Steve Kerr won another championship from that team, and he was pretty much riding the bench till the playoffs. Kobe Article Interesting article by Skip Bayless of ESPN.</div> So Jordan won six championship by himself? I guess Pippen, Grant, Cartwright, Armstrong, Paxon, Rodman, Harper, and Kerr had nothing to do with winning those championships. Jordan was the greatest to ever play the game and he was the primary reason for winning those championships, but he need Scottie Pippen and everyone of those role players to be successful. No one player (including Jordan) and a team full of scrubs will ever win an NBA championship.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Bodiddly14:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe will never be put into the same league as MJ. MJ had 37 50+ games and left for 2 years during his prime!!! To say kobe makes people better is ludacris... Jordan made everyone on the team better Pippen after Jordan was nothing but your everyday SF.. with him he was an All-Star. Only Jordan could win with centers such as Longley and Wennginton..lol. Kobe is a great player and will be one of the top 5 of all time when he is done I would say but to compare him to Jordan is dumb.. You are watching the future of the NBA now LeBron is the present and future of this league but he will only score 50+ 34 times...</div> I had a good laugh at that statement in BOLD. Scottie Pippen one of the top 50 NBA Players of All Time and one of the best all around players the league has ever seen. After Jordan, Pippen still maintained solid player averaging 12PPG, 6RPG, 6APG. He was a key ingredient to the Blazers success and still made the playoffs each season without Jordan. His best years were with Jordan and the Bulls, but he was also at his prime in that timespan. In the 1993-94 season WITHOUT Jordan, he led the Bulls to a 55-27 record and made it to the Eastern Conference Semifinals, before losing to the Knicks. Here's a recap of his season WITHOUT Jordan. Scottie Pippen had a tremendous season in all facets of the game. The leading vote-getter for both the All-NBA First Team and the NBA All-Defensive First Team, he ranked eighth in the league in scoring (22.0 ppg), 23rd in rebounding (8.7 rpg), 19th in assists (5.6 apg), and second in steals (2.93 per game). Pippen also won MVP honors at the 1994 NBA All-Star Game, in which he was joined for the first time by teammates Horace Grant and B. J. Armstrong. Hardly average my friend.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Accord:</div><div class="quote_post">Most 50 point games since 1980: Michael Jordan: 37 Allen Iverson: 7 Dominique Wilkins: 7 Kobe Bryant: 5 Bernard King: 5</div> You can add 1 more game to Iverson.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 02civic:</div><div class="quote_post">^ its not as hard to get 8 assists per game when the ball is in your hands 90% of the possessions. Any one can pad a stat column. Kobe is a very good player...he's a GREAT talent. The only thing that will stop him from being fit to carry Jordans shoes is the fact that he's got a horrible attitude. Shaq and Karl Malone, 2 of the most liked guys in the NBA cant stand him. Phil Jackson, who dealt with Rodman "The Worm" cant stand him!! He's gunna have to grow up to be hall of fame worthy</div> He'll be HOF whether he 'grows up' or not. If he isn't, there is something wrong with basketball these days. Also, I don't remember AI or any of those guys for that matter, going on sucha 40+ point streak, or hitting 9 threes in a row and 12 in a game or scoring 56 points in three quarters. He also played through a broken shoulder and absolutely shtu down T-Mac and the Magic. And BTW, he did ligth up MJ for 55 points. I don't care how old he was, that was MJ. I rest my case...
ok ima say this once KOBE BRYANT WILL NEVER BE MICHAEL JORDAN OR EVEN CLOSE HE WILL NEVER EVEN BE SCOTTIE PIPPEN!!!! isnt it funny though how u posted this then iverson scored 2 50 point games i think he comes to this site lol
There will never be another Jordan, which doesn't mean there won't be another player to dominate the NBA the way he did. We can compare stats and the state of the NBA all day, but IMO Kobe lacks something Jordan had, the MENTAL ability to make his teammates compete at their highest level. I'd even argue Kobe's physical skills were right there w/ MJ or even better, and Kobe can be a good passer if he wants to, and he can take over if he wants to, but mentally when it came to tacts and wits, MJ was far superior.
This thread is bogus just look at the title. The stat to end all "he'll be the next Jordan" debates. I mean cmon from all the stuff jordan has done in his career you found this stupid stat. And by the way didint T-Mac lead the leaugue in scoring last year? So he must have been the best player huh? I dont think so. A player can score 10 points in a game and be more dominating then a player who scored 50 points. Dominance has nothing to do with scoring. Now dont get me wrong there will never be another Jordan. But the way u presented and tryed to back up that statement was very weak. You picked one of the weakest stat lines.
