The summer of silence stops.... NOW. Mixum Returns!

I might give some credence to that logic if Nico occasionally shot and made threes, but that is not the case. He shot 168 shots from 3pt land last season, and made 62 of them. Those 168 accounted for 47% of all of this shot attempts.

 

Props to Mixum for actually keeping his word. Props for keeping up on things around here and still checking the forum, despite being unable to post. Welcome back.

 

Wow, somebody is full of themselves.

 

...and then played like a HOF in the playoffs...not saying your wrong about your point...just that Ariza was far above season averages in the playoffs in efficiency

 

LOL... freaking kingspeed who could make a case that 5 midgets could win the nba title by pointing out the 52 celtics averaged only 5 feet (thats a joke). There are exceptions dude but generally speaking in todays nba... your three needs to score and defend.

Ariza and Bowen could shoot the three pretty well. Not to mention both past and present are elite defenders. Is Batum???? Also last time I checked the spurs had Duncan, Ginobli, Parker as 3 major scoring threats. Who is ours king? Ariza has a better all around game then Batum. I feel like we are soft at the three. So did Houston. Until proven otherwise we are. Webster should start if Miller does.

You can get away with your SF scoring 10 + if you have 3 elite scoring options but the blazers dont. Therefore you need production from your three unless oden starts getting 20 a night. Thats not gonna happen.

 

Did the championship Pistons have three elite scoring options? Their third best scorer, Rasheed, averaged 13.7 ppg that year. Prince averaged 10.

Only 1 (Paul Pierce) of the past 11 championship teams have had a starting SF who scored more than 10.5 ppg.

Aside from Pierce, you have to go all the way back to Scottie Pippen to find a SF who was a #2 or #3 offensive option on a championship team.

 

I was actually kind of stunned when I thought it through myself. Some championship teams have a great center. Some a great PF. Some a shoot-first PG. Sometimes two elite players (Shaq/Kobe), sometimes one and two really good ones (Kobe and Gasol/Odom), and even once no really great players (Pistons). Some great coaches, but not always.

But almost every time over the last decade, through a variety of different offensive and defensive styles, is the defensive role player small forward who hits the occasional three pointer.

The Hedo acquisition always rubbed me the wrong way, and it does more now than ever.

 

Woops! I forgot about Glen Rice. He started for the 99-00 Lakers at SF, and averaged a whopping 15 ppg. They dumped him after that first ring and never really missed him. In fact, I think they were a lot more formidable without him, since you couldn't plan on exploiting his mediocre defense.

 

If we play defense like the Pistons did... we wouldn't need 3 scorers. That was an ELITE defensive team. can you name 1 ELIETE defender on the BLazers??? Please dont say Roy lol.

Thats what I thought. Therefore that is an absolute joke of an argument.

Listen, im not a stat guy. you can give me every stat you want. When i watched the blazers last year i noticed we didnt have a 3rd scorer. when roy and aldridge struggled...we usually lost. when one or the other struggled... it was 50/50 on a win. I don't need a billion stats from Kingspeed or Mook. They are stats and dont mean anything to me. When you watch bball wether its college or nba... you can see what a team is lacking. The Blazers lack a 3rd scorer. Its that simple and starting Batum doesnt fix that but makes it worse.

Again... if Batum is the answer and KP loved our offense at the three... why did we whore ourselves out for Hedo? Answer that before giving me Detroit Piston stats.

 

look at this way... cause im sick of hearing "you dont need a good sf"

1. PG - Miller/Blake Are either top options at PG or more like average pgs?

2. Roy - Elite player

3. Batum/Webster.... Can you do better or much better?

4. LA - Becoming Elite hopefully.

5. Oden.... DEFENDER with lots of ? marks. Is he a scorer? No.

Now who's going anywhere or getting replaced? Miller just signed for 2 years, They LOVE batum, and I doubt Oden is getting released. Therefore the only spot you cna upgrade is the three and have batum come off bench.
That was the Hedo plan im assuming.

Therefore you have a an AVG PG. You have a decent SF and a non scoring center. All these teams taht were named had very good offensive production without having a good 3. They did have 3 other elite options. We dont. Therefore thats why we arent contenders. Hedo would have done that with a bonus of adding miller.

You guys are saying you dont need a SF to win a title. Thats true but what you do need then is an elite option at PG or Center if your the Blazers. We dont have either. get it?

 

Andre Miller averaged 16 ppg last year.

How many of the championship teams in the past decade had a third option who averaged over 16 ppg?

No third option on any of the Laker championship teams did it.
No third option on the Pistons did it.
No third option on the Heat did it.
No third option on the Spurs did it. (Ginobili did it once in a non-championship year.)
Ray Allen averaged 17.4 ppg.

You are claiming that we have to have an 18-20 ppg third scorer to have playoff success, and yet not one of these championship teams had such a scoring option.

Miller is our third scoring option. He has been a second or third option on offense since he entered the league. I can't understand why you think he'll get here and suddenly stop being so, just because he can't hit three pointers.

 

Martell's D is mediocre on a good day but pretty poor more times then not. I wish this wasn't the case.

Martell's career 3 pnt% is 37% (same as Batum's)

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so that means we need to really upgrade at the three

i mean... we have pryz. should have drafted durant

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Do you get the feeling you are talking to yourself?

I already told Mixum that Andre is a legit 3rd option. He didn't even bother responding.

Numbers from last season.

Lakers:
Gasol: 18.9 pts; 22.2 PER; 126 Offensive Rating
Kobe: 26.8 pts; 24.4 PER; 115 Offensive Rating
Odom: 11.3 pts; 16.6 PER; 110 Offensive Rating

Blazers:
Roy: 22.6 pts; 24.0 PER; 123 Offensive Rating
Aldridge: 18.1 pts; 19.1 PER; 115 Offensive Rating
Miller: 16.3 pts; 18.6 PER; 115 Offensive Rating

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/POR/2009.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2009.html

Not saying were are a better team than the Lakers - we are not. But we have a better 3rd scorer than they had last season.

 

miller is at best an avg 3rd option.... he cant take over a game like hedo, carter, or jefferson

miller is blake by a few more points. ho hum

however..miller has been a blazer killer throughout his career. anyone have an average for miller in his career vs portland? i bet its very good.

 

hopefully Batum's 2nd year will be an upgrade on his rookie year. Given that he was only 19, barely spoke any english, rail thin, and that quality players performance often takes a significant step forward in their 2nd year there is good reason for this hope.

I'm going to side with the organization and against your feeling that we/the Trailblazers need a different SF. Batum is nice

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Vince Carter sure. RJ? Eh. But, you keep going on about Turk. Do you know what he did last season compared to Miller?

Miller: 16.3 pts; 18.6 PER; 115 Offensive Rating

Hedo: 16.8 pts; 14.8 PER; 107 Offensive Rating

Can't "take over a game"? You do know that Miller carried his Philly team for long stretches in the playoffs last season (21.2pt average - more than Hedo's 15.8avg)? You know that now.

So, let me get this straight: Miller can't "take over a game" like Hedo, but Hedo scored 15.8 in the playoffs, below his average, and Miller scored 21.2 in the playoffs, above his average? Is that about right?