Politics The Trump Crazy Train!

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    Vance's purge of anything Trump doesn't like from museums includes the zoo. What are those animals up to?
    Replace Asian elephants with American elephants?
    Purge trans animals?
    Get rid of black bears because DEI?
     
  2. Chris Craig

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    American elephants?
     
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    There aren't any. The point
     
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    They're getting pretty close to bringing back the woolly mammoth, though...
     
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    UncleCliffy'sDaddy We're all Bozos on this bus.

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    Why, it's almost as if they took Russian propaganda and put an American spin on it. Are we a great country or what??? From the United States of America to a Russia wannabe.........all in 2 short months. No one can say Trump isn't effective at something......
     
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    Trump Accidentally Wrecks His Own Tariff Spin in Leaked Call Stunner
    In a call with auto CEOs, the president warned them against raising prices. Isn’t that an admission that his argument for tariffs is bogus?


    Faced with expert opinion predicting that his tariffs will jack up prices for American consumers, President Trump has carefully considered a wealth of evidence surrounding this complex matter, and after extensive consultation with stakeholders on all sides, has concluded that his tariffs are a bad idea, after all.


    Just kidding! Actually, Trump has decided to take another course entirely: Stung by that expert opinion, he’s now corruptly wielding executive power to warn the relevant companies that they’d better not raise prices after his tariffs go into effect—or else.

    The Wall Street Journal reports that in a private call with CEOs of the nation’s leading auto companies this month, the president warned them against hiking prices after his tariffs hit. The White House will look unfavorably on them if they do, he darkly intimated, leaving them worried about retribution.

    This is getting attention as another abuse of power, akin to his extortion of law firms. But it’s notable for a different reason: It wrecks the spin Trump has offered on his tariffs on many different levels, and it highlights a glaring absurdity about his economic agenda that continues to be overlooked. While Trump’s stated goal of tariffs is to rebuild the nation’s industrial base, he’s gunning to reverse policies by his predecessor in a way that would kill large numbers of manufacturing jobs, including in the auto industry, simply because they would facilitate the transition to a green future.

    This week, Trump announced that he’s imposing a 25 percent tariff on all imported vehicles and parts. Experts say this will raise auto prices by many thousands of dollars: tariffs on imported vehicles are a tax on their consumption, and tariffs on parts will make it more expensive to manufacture vehicles here.

    Earlier this week, however, Trump declared that because his tariffs will cause an explosion of auto-manufacturing here, “you’re going to see prices going down.” Trump knows that’s false: He wouldn’t warn companies this way if prices were set to drop.

    What’s critical is that this shows he knows why his tariffs will raise prices. He knows they’ll boost costs on those doing the importing (buyers) and on those making things with imported parts (manufacturers). That wrecks his claim that other countries will pay the tariffs. And Trump also said the following to CEOs who might raise prices:

    Instead, Trump said, they should be grateful for his elimination of what he called former President Joe Biden’s electric-vehicle mandate, which involved subsidies and emissions requirements to encourage electric-car production.
    What all this underscores is that there’s no coherent conception of the national interest at work behind any of this.

    Trump’s effort to eliminate Biden’s “electric-vehicle mandate” is a reference to his January executive order that explicitly uses that phrase. In it, Trump vows to pursue the elimination of “unfair subsidies” that “favor EVs over other technologies,” meaning government incentives that make EVs competitive relative to fossil-fuel-powered vehicles.

    To that end, Trump is using executive authority to repeal Biden’s regulations on tailpipe emissions and roll back loans and grants in Biden’s Inflation Reduction Act that incentivize the construction of manufacturing plants for EVs, batteries, and chargers. He is urging Congressional Republicans to end IRA subsidies for EV purchases. Those provisions drive the transition to EVs on the supply side (tailpipe regulations push automakers to evolve while investments spur manufacturing plants) and the demand side (subsidies keep EVs affordable).

    Rolling all that back could lead to the cancellation of dozens of EV and battery factories and kill roughly 100,000 jobs, according to calculations by the Princeton Repeat Project. While you might think EV manufacturing jobs simply replace traditional auto-manufacturing work, Princeton professor Jesse Jenkins notes that China is aggressively cornering the global EV market even as global consumer tastes are trending toward EVs and the industry increasingly embraces self-driving vehicles, which optimally are electric.

    “Electric vehicles are the future of employment growth in the industry,” Jenkins says. “We either win it—or lose it to China.” As The New Republic’s Kate Aronoff demonstrates, Trump may actually be killing the future of auto manufacturing in the United States.

    Put it all together and here’s what you have: Trump is slapping tariffs on imported autos (and parts) to revitalize the future of American manufacturing (though economists say that won’t actually happen), even as he’s killing untold numbers of the American manufacturing jobs of the future.

    As Paul Krugman and Adam Tooze detail, little about Trump’s broader vision of a reindustrialized America—let alone how his tariffs will achieve that—makes sense, and we should stop pretending otherwise. The underlying economic argument doesn’t add up. Neither do the goals: Trump seems to want to bring back low-level manufacturing, yet those jobs are pretty damn undesirable. Trump often seems to lack any discernible rationale here of any kind.

    I’d add one thing to all that: None of this makes sense even if you accept that Trump does have some sort of larger vision of what tariffs are supposed to accomplish. Trump’s tariff obsession is often described as a kind of mania, but there’s also a genuine worldview behind it: It’s the idea that revitalized manufacturing work will provide a sturdier future foundation for those seeking to live a virtuous working-class life. In his convention speech, JD Vance linked the need to “reinvigorate American industry” with his desire to “renew American family.”

    Such unqualified nostalgia about manufacturing work’s grounding power is itself misguided, as Dean Baker shows. But even if you grant it, why wouldn’t green manufacturing jobs—many of which are advanced manufacturing jobs well-suited for people without college degrees—also provide such a virtuous foundation?

    Indeed, Vance has argued elsewhere that MAGA should represent the goal of fusing technological innovation with reindustrialization. If so, why don’t the green manufacturing jobs of the future point toward exactly that? Vance and Trump sometimes justify their hostility to such manufacturing by insisting it will make us vulnerable to China, given its control of renewable supply chains. But that gets it backward: Trump and Vance are ceding to China that control over supply chains—and over the future.

    So no, none of this makes sense. When Trump effectively admits his tariffs will boost prices, and boasts about his hostility to EVs, he’s wrecking his own case for how he intends to achieve the future he wants—or the one he claims to want, anyway.

    https://newrepublic.com/article/193352/trump-car-tariffs-vehicle-auto-ceo-wrecks-spin
     
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    Top vaccine expert at Department of Health told quit or be fired. He quit. CDC staffers report they were instructed not to publicly release study on risk of catching measles.
     
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    Trump threatens bombing if Iran does not make nuclear deal

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    WASHINGTON, March 30 (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump threatened Iran on Sunday with bombing and secondary tariffs if Tehran did not come to an agreement with Washington over its nuclear program.

    In Trump's first remarks since Iran rejected direct negotiations with Washington last week, he told NBC News that U.S. and Iranian officials were talking, but did not elaborate.

    "If they don't make a deal, there will be bombing," Trump said in a telephone interview. "It will be bombing the likes of which they have never seen before."

    "There's a chance that if they don't make a deal, that I will do secondary tariffs on them like I did four years ago," he added.

    Iran sent a response through Oman to a letter from Trump urging Tehran to reach a new nuclear deal, saying its policy was to not engage in direct negotiations with the United States while under its maximum pressure campaign and military threats, Tehran's foreign minister was quoted as saying on Thursday.

    Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian reiterated the policy on Sunday. "Direct negotiations (with the U.S.) have been rejected, but Iran has always been involved in indirect negotiations, and now too, the Supreme Leader has emphasized that indirect negotiations can still continue," he said, referring to Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

    In the NBC interview, Trump also threatened so-called secondary tariffs, which affect buyers of a country's goods, on both Russia and Iran. He signed an executive order last week authorizing such tariffs on buyers of Venezuelan oil.
    Trump did not elaborate on those potential tariffs.

    In his first 2017-21 term, Trump withdrew the U.S. from a 2015 deal between Iran and world powers that placed strict limits on Tehran's disputed nuclear activities in exchange for sanctions relief.

    Trump also reimposed sweeping U.S. sanctions. Since then, the Islamic Republic has far surpassed the agreed limits in its escalating program of uranium enrichment.

    Tehran has so far rebuffed Trump's warning to make a deal or face military consequences.
    Western powers accuse Iran of having a clandestine agenda to develop nuclear weapons capability by enriching uranium to a high level of fissile purity, above what they say is justifiable for a civilian atomic energy program.

    Tehran says its nuclear program is wholly for civilian energy purposes.

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    There was a functional nuclear deal in place until Trump unilaterally cancelled it.
     
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    Yeah, they all seem to be leaving, one after the next.
     
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    He cancelled the deal to begin with and now is going to bomb them off the map. Sucks to be Iran.
     
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    On the bright side, Trump will probably be able to make a killing by turning the prime locations into US owned resorts for the wealthy...
     
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    But, but.....Trump is the Peace President. Or so the small cadre of S2 MAGAts have told us repeatedly. No wars on Trump's watch. But then, knowing the current White House view from their newly created Department of Semantics, Rationalization and Falsehoods, we'll soon hear that bombings are NOT "war", they are simply a training or diplomatic exercise.....wondering where the right wing bleeding hearts will be when it is Iranians who are dying instead of Russians or Ukrainians.......
     
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    Gonna turn the water on up north and make beaches?
     
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