Politics The U.S. is no longer a ‘full democracy,’ a new study warns

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  1. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Well I'm sure it's only going to get better under an administration touting "Alternative Facts."
     
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    Rastapopoulos Leftist Mobster

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    Lenin wasn't big on Democracy either:

     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    You mean like "Benghazi was a result of a you tube video?"

    Or "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor"
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    I didn't vote for Hillary and I had plenty of things I disliked about Obama and that's not a valid defense of Trump.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    That was the Obama administration good sir.
     
  6. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Here's your cookie. What's your point?
     
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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Administrations tout alternative facts?
     
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    And people voted for Trump. That's the joke of the century right there.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    I'm willing to accept that a certain amount of spin and broken promises are part of every administration, but do you honestly believe the narratives Trump and his people are pushing are within acceptable norms? Lying about crowd size at your inauguration for chrissakes; it's not even something worth lying about. What are they willing to lie about when the stakes are real?
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Much ado about nothing.

    When he lies about why we lost an ambassador in a country we bombed and overthrew the government, it rises to a much different level. Would you prefer to be lied to by professional liars?
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    I prefer not to be lied to.
     
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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    I don't care so much about the tabloid stuff. I prefer not to be lied to as well.

    The crowd size thing is pointless, except the press is lying, too. And that's downright scary. Nobody we can trust to honestly hold government accountable anymore.

    Hence the OP.
     
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    Trump vs the media. Why the media keeps losing.

    http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-versus-media-548562

    It is the Trump view that the media has been so wrong in its predictions, and made to look in the eyes of the public so woeful and ludicrous, that it must now double down in an effort to prove its thesis about the president and restore its honor. (The Trump White House now hammers a persistent theme: Why was nobody fired in the mainstream media for such dunderheaded election coverage?)

    The media strategy is to show Trump to be an inept and craven sociopath. The Trump strategy is to show that media people are hopeless prigs out of touch with the nation (e.g., CNN’s media correspondent, Brian Stelter, who turns to the camera every Sunday morning and delivers a pious sermon about Trump’s perfidiousness) and nursing personal grudges.

    Accordingly, “alternative facts.” It’s curious to pick a battle whose outcome won’t change anything—like over the actual size of the inaugural crowd. But both sides grabbed it. Hence, the argument becomes about relative reaction. Who is perceived as overreacting more? Whose apoplexy is greater?

    In the media’s view—literal to a fault, in this instance—a lie is a lie. Therefore, Trump is a liar, making the issue of the size of the inaugural crowd a moral one. Trump’s misstatement is grievous and profoundly discreditable, in this view.

    In the Trump team’s view, that the media would turn a so-what issue into a veritable crisis of confidence—and that it rises to this level of high dudgeon on such a regular basis—discredits the media and adds to its crisis of credibility, which is at least as great—and, the Trump team, would argue vastly greater—as its own.
     
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    Ha! It seems to have your ass jacked sky high! Step back and listen, do some research, perhaps learn.:cool2:
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    I must not be reading enough Brietbart?
     
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    Then you can follow, you will not need to lead.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    I'm a lousy follower.
     
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