Politics The U.S. is no longer a ‘full democracy,’ a new study warns

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  1. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    I don't read breitbart, except when @magnifier661 posts a link.

    Not that I've found it racist or any of the things claimed about it. I found it like rasta's tweets - a lot of bullshit and easy to fact check to see it's bullshit.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    It is a relative thing, check behind you. When there are none, you are following.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    I'm quite happy going it alone, thanks.
     
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    Trump:

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    Obama

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    Decide for yourself.

    Both pictures taken with the president on stage, not hours before or after.

    I'm not saying Trump had the bigger crowd because you can't see it all.

    But this is dishonest:

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    It's a fine thing.
     
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    Where are other shots from that same vantage point?

    In looking around the internet both are credited as Getty images. So Getty went to the trouble to set up the exact same shot but only took one picture the entire time? If there are shots from the exact same vantage point I would like to see them.
     
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    Here's the thing. If Trump builds his wall and the effects are what he predicts, then what?
     
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    Found them.

    Look on the right side, there are giant video screens of Trump giving his inaugural speech.

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    And I really only care if the media is being honest. They've not earned actual trust for quite a while. Going back to pushing for war in 2003 to the past election.

    Everyone wants to be Woodward and Bernstein, but unwilling to do the hard work to make the reporting legit.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    You're a libertarian right? Be honest, what do you think the real impact will be? Off-hand I'm guessing it's going to be billions of tons of concrete and steel that would be better served shoring up bridges, roads and dams. Instead, it appears to be an infrastructure project designed to keep out a significant labor force this country depends on. Second of all, I wonder how many tons of food is going to rot on the vines in the Central Valley of California when they can't get enough millennials to do the thankless, back-breaking work of picking all of those fruits and vegetables people seem to like so much.
     
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    So what exactly is dishonest about this?
     
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    I'm against the wall, completely.

    I asked a legit question, though. We've seen typical academics style economics with fair to middling results. Over promised and under delivered. Trump clearly has an economic agenda that is based upon ending the bad deals we're in. Immigration being one of those. Trade deals being another.

    The idea that slave labor overseas is killing our jobs and manufacturing rings true. If he's right, then what?

    Legit question.
     
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    Hey @magnifier661

    Editor’s note: Some commenters have noticed that the clock face visible on the Smithsonian Tower shows a time of approximately 1:15. I spoke with the Smithsonian’s public affairs office, and they confirmed the clock is currently broken. This can be further seen in two photos (photo 1, photo 2) taken by the same photographer, from the same vantage point, during the Women’s March on the day after the inauguration, January 21. Both photos, obviously not taken in the same instant, show the hands on the clock face in the same 1:15 configuration.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2...ce-was-full-a-photographic-fact-check/514253/
     
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    The density of the crowd is clearly different in the real pictures. The crowd does extend to the Washington monument.

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    I don't think there's any putting the djinni back in the bottle. Retreating from the world and adopting what looks like a mercantilist stance on trade feels like a terrible bet. Secondly, how has immigration been a "bad deal?" It's largely been the engine of our prosperity. Take away immigration and in we're probably in the same boat as Japan or Western Europe (at least until they let in a few million middle easterners) -- contracting, aging populations need immigration or they stagnate.
     

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